Posted on 03/29/2009 5:51:07 PM PDT by OneVike
From the day the founding Fathers risked their liberty and life by signing the Declaration of Independence, there has been those who have wanted to sink this great ship called the United States of America. Well 143 years later the good ship America took a torpedo hit that at the time seemed like just another glancing blow. What many still consider the greatest step forward in equality for the sexes, was more then just a glancing blow however. It was in fact a deadly strike that entered the very heart of the ship and has been smoldering since. The damage caused by the 19th amendment was slow in its destruction, but after almost 100 years we can now see how complete the destruction really was.
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In the bowling alley in the basement, where they belong. Sheesh.
Logically, marsh2 has a point. Post menopausal grandmothers have quite a bit invested in the life and success - posterity, if you will - of their children and grandchildren.
I would argue that the demise of the trade guilds and the lack of mentoring of young men by older men to actually BE men plays just as much of a role. That has its roots in the "everyone should go to college" mantra.
Steinbeck, Hemingway, heck let’s add Faulkner. But James (I assume you are talking Henry James) I believe he was dead by the time “The Grapes of Wrath” was published.
I assume you also meant Henry Miller for Miller? Uh, his work (if you’ve ever read any of it) was not depressing, it was smutty and very much purposely trying to shock folks but it was depressing only in that it was rather unremittingly on a low-level.
I also don’t think he or they were trying to “change public opinion”. Henry Miller often didn’t have a dime to his name and lived off of Anais Nin who gave him money her banker husband earned. And had all kinds of s-x with Henry Miller and other unders her hubby’s nose, poor sap.
Actually, I hope you didn’t mean Henry James, he’s too decent to be called a progressive, and besides, he lived from 1843 to 1916, he was “Victorian”. His novel “What Maisie Saw” is, in my opinion, the most searing critique of thoughtless adults seperating or divorcing as seen through the eyes of the child. No wonder the lib/Hollywood establishment never makes a movie from that one...
NOT A PUT-DOWN ON YOUNGER WOMEN....I was there myself...the love and protection one feels as a mom is intensified hundreds of times over when that first grandchild comes on board...
“But in a span of very few years, we also got the direct election of Senators, another amendment to allow a federal income tax, and the creation of the Federal Reserve.”
Men alone voted for these Amendments, right?
What a waste of time, this divisive talk is — what happened a hundred years ago, happened. Wouldn’t it be better to reverse these or at least get control of the Fed rather than divide conservative women from conservative men?
Ok, Will someone explain to me all the hostility towards the 17th amendment? (besides the fact that many progressive/socialist types helped to get it passed) I just don’t get it...
You said: “Wouldn’t it be better to reverse these or at least get control of the Fed rather than divide conservative women from conservative men?”
I think though that more liberal women are with conservative men and are masquerading as conservatives.
And those women just might so put their fellows t-——— in a lock box with their twists of logic that maybe they won’t bother voting in exasperation.
So, yes, I think we DO need to divide some liberal-masquerading-as-conservative (or just unenlightened) women from conservative men.
“Ann is absolutely correct. If we look at all the presidential elections since 1920, not one Democrat would have been elected to the White House. Just think about how things would have been different.”
No offense to St. Ann...but things were not always hunky dory when the men elected the presidents...the 1800s are riddled with weak presidents, scandals, and wait....uh..was Woodrow Wilson not a Democrat? The women had no say so on that either did they? Hmmmmm....
In all seriousness, my mom and sis voting for the conservative candidate I tell them to vote for is not the issue. :-)
My business partner said something that was completely un-PC a while back. It’s heresy to libs. Others have brought it up in this thread.
He pointed out that the founding fathers only gave the right to vote to landowners and tax payers (blah, blah, they were white men, yadda yadda...cue ACLU and ACORN outrage).
I dismissed it out of hand as outrageous. Than I thought about it.
He and the founders were right.
If you don’t pay taxes and have no skin in the game, why should you get to vote?
This is how we end up with inner city Democratic machines bribing homeless crack addicts, welfare mothers by the busload with a reward of Big Macs and a pack of smokes to vote the dem party line like the card said.
By all means, protect those men!
“I’m sure that is why the Taliban doesn’t allow their women to vote either.”
Nice.
As an old female I agree that many women vote with their emotions. If it sounds good thats good enough for them.. Including lots of my female acquaintance’s... I am old enough to also remember when you HAD to be a property owner to vote of property taxes...The democrats finally got around that by saying welllll, renters pay property taxes also when they pay their rent....Can we all say rent control in New York......
Arthur Miller was, like Mark Twain, writing about his experiences in life (which were rather dismal). I still don’t think it is so much he was doing anything like you say on purpose, he was trying to shed his demons perhaps...
I don’t know for sure but I do know that in HIS hey-day which was the 1950’s there were a LOT of people who were pushing his “Death of a Salesman” as a condemnation of America. It was about his father’s failure in the 1930’s but was “pertinent” to the ‘50’s they said and even to the 1990’s they tried to tell me in college while I was attending then.
But it is just a play.
In other words, socialists and communists used these writers (though some were socialist and/or communists themselves) to shape a future generation by interpreting them as being evidences of a failed system. And we got the 60’s kids who parroted these authors works as virtual bibles since most of them by that time hadn’t been taught much about the real Bible itself anyway. And on it goes...
“”If you don’t pay taxes and have no skin in the game, why should you get to vote?”
“”This is how we end up with inner city Democratic machines bribing homeless crack addicts, welfare mothers by the busload with a reward of Big Macs and a pack of smokes to vote the dem party line like the card said.””
And the way to cure this is to have discussions about whether the women’s vote killed the Nation?
Or would it be better to build up conservative men and women, and educate the weaker voters?
Conservative men and women (who are truly so) don’t need building up.
Educate the weaker voters? What are weaker voters? My nice amoral mom is not weak and isn’t about to be educated by a conservative to vote anything other than as leftist as she can get. I know other libs who won’t listen to three words much less be educated by a conservative.
I think we conservatives do plenty but the opposition is getting downright illegal, playing dirty as it were, and we are still in shell-shock over that fact.
It will change, I don’t know how, I can’t see the future, but crappy leftists, anything evil, never keeps the power forever no matter how hard they try or cheat their way to it.
Voting should be limited to taxpaying men, between the ages of 35 and 65, who own their principal dwelling. Voting should also be granted to any person, male or female, who has honorably served in the US military.
That's what my wife says and I now agree with her.
As an old female I agree with Mrs. V. Many women vote with their emotions. I’d give up my vote to keep a lot of women from voting. I know too many that vote liberal, no logic, to them it just sounds good for today..Ann Coulter said the same thing on a show one time, that she would give up her vote also to keep other women from voting.... I am old enough to also remember when you HAD to be a property owner to vote of property taxes...The democrats finally got around that by saying welllll, renters pay property taxes also when they pay their rent....Can we all say rent control in New York......
You said: “By all means, protect those men!”
I don’t know if you were being sarcastic or not. But yes I would protect those men if they were good men who were willing to protect me.
It is why I love the American soldier who protects me now, and sometimes dies for it, and I also love the men who fought the Civil War and died to end slavery (whatever else they thought at the time I don’t care about really, many of them had no especial love for black people per se) but they laid down their lives for others, it gets no higher than that.
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