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[Zechariah_8_13]

Blackwell supports amnesty, which would destroy this country with the stroke of a pen. He has the same position as MCCain on the issue

&A with Ken Blackwell, Candidate for GOP Chairman

What is your solution for the 12 million people who are here illegally?

Blackwell: First, I think what we have to do first is stop the bleeding, meaning protect our borders. We then must have a reasonable--within the construct of our budgetary limits--have a program that basically says we will go after illegal immigrants, particularly those we suspect are engaged in criminal activity and we will prosecute and deport them. We then will have a system that puts folks who have come here illegally but haven’t engaged in criminal activity at the back of the line. So, the message we must continue to send is that we will strengthen, at every turn, the rule of law.

I don't quite understand - where's the amnesty support? What he is saying seems logical to me. 1)Close the borders 2)Get rid of the illegals who engage in other crimes 3)Deal with the others next. Unless "back of the line" is a code word for something else.

[rabscuttle385]

I'm sick of the rino party. Want to help with the list?

You betcha! No more RINOs!

[TAdams8591]

WOW!!! Incredible.

[TAdams8591]

He is a major embarrassment!

[TAdams8591]

Nice try but no cigar, Michael!

[kabar]

Words have meanings. The Democrats and the mainstream media have hijacked the language surrounding the immigration issue to the point that we had Michael Chertoff, the Secretary of Homeland Security and our nation’s top immigration official at the time, testifying before Congress using the term “undocumented worker” to describe illegal aliens. John McCain and Barack Obama studiously avoided the term “amnesty” to describe their comprehensive immigration reform plans and despite the evidence, baldly declared that it was not an amnesty. Instead, they used such euphemisms as “getting to the back of the line,” “an earned path to citizenship,” and “coming out of the shadows.” The Democrats and pro-amnesty crowd know full well that the American people are against amnesty, hence the avoidance of the “A” word. Republicans need to develop their own immigration lexicon that cuts through this Orwellian use of language.

Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty alone would be $2.6 trillion. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

3)Deal with the others next. Unless "back of the line" is a code word for something else.

Of course it is. It means that they can stay and work here, which puts them at the front of the line. There are millions of people oveseas who have completed all of their paperwork to become legal immigrants and are waiting their turn to enter. There are caps on various categories of immigrants, which means that they can't all be admitted at once. Allowing these self-selected immigrants [read illegal aliens] to stay means they are jumping the line.

FYI: The Blackwell position is the same one as McCain's and it was the same process in the McCain-Kennedy bill. McCain said that he would deport immediately the estimated 2 million criminal aliens, but the others who committed no crime except enter here illegally [plus ID theft etc.] would be placed on an earned path to citizenship at the back of the line. This is Orwellian use of the language.

[Cedric]

So, you’re into lists now?

[Zechariah_8_13]

So if I do something, there’s a reason for it… It may look like a mistake, a gaffe. There is a rationale, there is a logic behind it

Translation: If something I say angers you, then I didn't mean it the way you think I meant it. Whatever your position, that's my position too! I'm not a power mongering leftist, I'm just savvy!

I think Steele is working for the other side. How else can we explain all this insanity that only serves to destroy Republicanism? When he insulted Rush, it destroyed his credibility and our credibility. When he said being an idiot and insulting the base was strategic, it further destroyed his credibility and ours.

How else can we explain his stupid "hip hop" comments? Or him nodding his head when the RNC was compared to a Nazi rally?

I used to honestly believe and argue that we should work to change the party from within. But now, seeing all I've seen over the last year, I think the Republican party has been completely corrupted and overrun with liberals seeking to destroy it.

The 10% of Republicans who aren't liberals are either completely impotent or only fawning after the media to "like them." But the media has successfully destroyed the credibility of the Republican brand. It's too late.

Our country is being completely destroyed by Obama and the Dems in a matter of WEEKS and the Republicans in power are doing nearly nothing to stop it. If we stay on this track, we are looking at not only the destruction of our nation, but complete global collapse. Our only hope is a new party. The Republican party is done.

It's Hail Mary time. It's now or never.

[rabscuttle385]

So, you’re into lists now?

Ping lists, not hit lists.

[Zechariah_8_13]

Thanks for the clarification. So what is meant by “back of the line”? I took the statement to mean the back of the line behind the first priorities, i.e. those actively engaging in criminal behavior. Which, given your post, is what I was intended to assume.

Otherwise, which line? The back of the line for legal citizenship?

[DirtyHarryY2K]

Cedric has been around since 2003 and doesn’t know what a ping list is? not much of a FReeper LMAO

[Zechariah_8_13]

Sorry, I see you answered that already (my “line” question). Gotcha.

[kabar]

So what is meant by “back of the line”?

As a grassroots activist on immigration who belongs to a group that lobbies on the Hill and at the state level here in VA, "back of line" is used by pro-amnesty advocates to mean that we allow the illegal aliens to stay and work here while they go through a process that will allow them to gain citizenship. It is meant to fool and deceive just as "undocument workers" and "earned path to citizenship" are used.

Q: [to McCain]: How do you not call the circumstances of comprehensive immigration reform as an amnesty?

MCCAIN: Well, because amnesty, according to the dictionary, is forgiveness. The proposal that we had would require fines, would require back in the line, would require deportation for some. It would require others to go back to the country of their origin. It would require an enormous amount of time, as long as 13 years, before anyone could even be eligible for citizenship in this country

[Cedric]

Ping lists, not hit lists.

A distinction without a difference.

Harry better stand up this one's way over his head.

[The Sons of Liberty]

You do believe in elections, don’t you?

I believe in elections, but mistakes can, and do, happen. Need I point out who is infesting the White House as an example?

Why? Is Steele your boy?

[Zechariah_8_13]

It would require an enormous amount of time, as long as 13 years, before anyone could even be eligible for citizenship in this country

Allowing up to 13 yrs of paying no taxes but using all of our services is FAR WORSE than immediate citizenship and immediately assuming the responsibilities thereof. Or maybe that's the point?

[rabscuttle385]

Cedric has been around since 2003 and doesn’t know what a ping list is? not much of a FReeper LMAO

Cedric only keeps hit lists of Freepers who fail to "comply" with his McCainian directives.

[DirtyHarryY2K]

I've noticed Cedric has a predilection for stalking the McLoser threads, Time to give him his meds again.

[rabscuttle385]

Time to give him his meds again.

Before or after he's carted back to the RINO laughing academy?

[kabar]

They would be required to pay taxes under their "Z-visa." The point is they would be allowed to stay here because their status would be legalized. Moreover, they will be able to bring in their families thru chain migration, i.e., family reunification, which place an even greater burden on services and the taxpayer.

This is all a smokecreen to cover the fact that we are providing an amnesty. We had a one time amnesty in 1986. The USG estimated that 1 million would apply, but the true number turned out to be 2.7 million. There was plenty of fraud in the processing. Now we have an estimate of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens who would be eligible for an amnesty. And if that is passed, you can bet there will be more illegals and another amnesty. It is insane