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To: GourmetDan
"I'll put this as simply as I can: you believe the word of men over the Word of God where it pleases you and invoke the supernatural where it pleases you. There's nothing empirical about that and therefore nothing empirical about your faith in science."

Nonsense, likely just a baseless projection of your own state of mind.

"Nope, philosophical naturalism is the foundation of science. Were it not, you could present a theory not based on philosophical naturalism. You can't. They don't exist, you just won't admit it."

I've seen no evidence, certainly not from you, that any scientific theory requires your "philosophical naturalism" as its basis. So I'm guessing you're just projecting your own state of mind onto the theories of science.

Do you have evidence to support your claim? If not, why should I believe it?

"The truth is that all scientific 'theories' are proposed by people who adhere to philosophical naturalism. Philosophical naturalism is the religion of people who use methodological naturalism to promote their beliefs."

Philosophical naturalism is the religion of SOME people who use methodological naturalism to promote their beliefs, BUT NOT ALL. Christianity is the religion of many people who use methodological naturalism to promote their beliefs. And your problem with this is what?

"Those are the YEC's. "

A minuscule minority of Christians are YEC's.

"Yes, I know. Science is based on it. Were it not, you could point to a theory not based on philosophical naturalism. You can't."

I know of no scientific theory requiring "philosophical naturalism" as its basis. Perhaps you could provide "proof" that at least some are?

"Yes, I know. Origins theories like the Big Bang, abiogenesis and evolution do not rely on methodological naturalism. They rely on philosophical naturalism 'a priori' and the fallacy of affirming the consequent."

So you claim, but as in everything else you assert, provide us no evidence. Makes me wonder about your "critical thinking skills."

"IOW, you are back to mistaking 'truth by definition' for reality. Is that clear enough for you?"

Nonsense. You are merely denying common accepted word definitions.

"You said above that you deny any Biblical exegesis that disagrees with philosophical naturalism. That is redefinition. "

I said no such thing.

207 posted on 05/07/2009 2:40:28 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
"Nonsense, likely just a baseless projection of your own state of mind."

Nonsense, you do this regularly. You believe the word of man for any Biblical statement that you don't personallyagree with.

" I've seen no evidence, certainly not from you, that any scientific theory requires your "philosophical naturalism" as its basis. So I'm guessing you're just projecting your own state of mind onto the theories of science. Do you have evidence to support your claim? If not, why should I believe it?"

Rubbish, the Big Bang, abiogenesis and macroevolution are clearly based on an 'a priori' assumption of philosophical naturalism and the fallacy of affirming the consequent. You simply refuse to admit it.

"Philosophical naturalism is the religion of SOME people who use methodological naturalism to promote their beliefs, BUT NOT ALL. Christianity is the religion of many people who use methodological naturalism to promote their beliefs. And your problem with this is what?"

Science, however is clearly based on philosophical naturalism. Were it not, you could easily demonstrate it. You simply can't.

"A minuscule minority of Christians are YEC's."

Those are the only people who meet the definition you proposed that I responded to as YEC's.

"I know of no scientific theory requiring "philosophical naturalism" as its basis. Perhaps you could provide "proof" that at least some are?"

I have been providing you with the Big Bang, abiogenesis and macroevolution as examples of scientific theories based on philosophical naturalism for weeks now.

"So you claim, but as in everything else you assert, provide us no evidence. Makes me wonder about your "critical thinking skills.""

So, you admit that I have been providing examples of the very theories you ignored above, you just wish to claim that there is no 'evidence' that they are based on philosophical naturalism. Since they are unobservable, they clearly cannot be based on methodological naturalism and are therefore based on philosophical naturalism. You just dishonestly refuse to admit it.

"Nonsense. You are merely denying common accepted word definitions."

Nonsense. You are merely invoking your usual deception of 'truth by definition'.

"I said no such thing."

You never say anything.

213 posted on 05/08/2009 11:26:54 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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