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Police deaths give leverage to toughen gun laws
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/24/9 | Chip Johnson

Posted on 03/24/2009 7:49:10 AM PDT by SmithL

If history repeats itself, the fatal shootings of four Oakland police officers on Saturday afternoon will become the next benchmark in the national debate on a federal law to ban assault weapons.

If there is a grain of hope to be gathered from a loss so tragic, it's that last weekend's horrific events will help end the debate on an unresolved policy issue that has resulted in thousands of deaths and helped sustain veritable demilitarized zones in some of our nation's largest cities.

In Oakland, a city already struggling with high crime and gun violence, the deaths of two officers gunned down with an AK-47 qualify city officials to lend their voices to any national debate on the issue.

While the tragedy in Oakland lacks the scale of the shootings at Virginia Tech in 2007 and Columbine High School nearly a decade ago, the deaths of four officers in a single incident is a significant event that sends shock waves across the nation.

The use of the deadly weapons - which can fire hundreds of rounds per minute - has become an all-too-familiar feature in the gun violence being played out.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; lovellemixon; oakland; opd
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To: Tarpon

Police deaths give reason to toughen parole policies.”

Parole policies in Kalifornia are a joke.

Then everyone has an opinion about how all ‘prisoners’ should be treated- health services-exercize equipment-big screen color TV- alot of amenities that the average WORKING Americans do NOT have.
WE pay the taxes that support the prisons, and the judges, defense lawyers, and parole boards are making a mockery of the entire justice system. Do the crime—do all the time.

Too many prisoners choose to only mark time, and not learn any skills or get an education behind bars. They are not separated from their ‘homies’ in their gangs, and behind bars, they actually run drug businesses with the telephone calls they are allowed.

Miss dotting an ‘i’ or crossing a ‘t’, and the VERY GUILTY perp walks free, and they only get more street creds with their pals for having beaten the system.
Meanwhile- their array of children are on welfare of all kinds along with the baby mama, and the circle jerk continues.
There is absolutely NO accountability at any level.
The killer in Oakland had just been connected to a rape of a few hours earlier. He was also a suspect in a 2007 murder. He had a long rap sheet, with lots of violent crimes. He obviously was not interested in changing his life style. He walked back and put a bullet in each of the 2 cops heads, then fled to his sister’s apartment.

For his female family member to get face time on the TV saying ‘he wasn’t a monster’ tells me waaaaay too much.
These animals don’t even know what a monster this killer really was, and they continue to not only defend him, but to spend the rest of their lives trying to get a lawsuit payoff from the city or county. They also will continue to refuse to be a witness in any crime in their community. A shootout at high noon in full daylight with 100 witnesses, and ‘no one sees nuthin’ or hears nuthin’.

Oakland is a cesspool, but not the only cesspool that this country has created and nurtured in the last 40+++ years with all kinds of welfare.


61 posted on 03/24/2009 9:09:27 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Nathan Zachary
Lefty media come up with? Making the streets safer for criminals

Constitutionally speaking, the government is already now a criminal enterprise. Of course they want to make the streets safer for criminals. They ARE criminals.

62 posted on 03/24/2009 9:10:11 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

FACT: .22 caliber weapons are the ones most used by criminals, especially in the gang culture.


63 posted on 03/24/2009 9:11:31 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ßuddaßudd

Of course it was. He shot the first 2 cops with a handgun, then ran to his sisters house and shot the next 2 cops with the rifle. “

He shot the first 2 cops- started running to his sister’s house———turned, ran back and put a single bullet into each cop’s head, and then ran again to his sister’s house.

Would love to just bomb Oakland out of existance.


64 posted on 03/24/2009 9:14:08 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: SmithL

How about getting criminals off the streets?


65 posted on 03/24/2009 9:24:29 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget (July 4, 2009 see you there))
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To: SmithL

Journalism Malpractice from teh San Francisco Chronicle.

The day the San Francisco Chronicle shutters its doors, is a day freedom and liberty breaths a bit better.

It is a sad day in america when a newspaper is a a bastion of OPPRESION rather than liberty.


66 posted on 03/24/2009 9:33:03 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SmithL

A real AK-47.. where did he get the $14-16K for a real AK?


67 posted on 03/24/2009 9:34:57 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: SmithL
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
68 posted on 03/24/2009 9:37:27 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly; garyhope
Well. Blacks and Hispanics are most often the victims of violent crime as well. For example in Per every 1,000 persons in that racial group, 32 blacks, 23 whites and 18 persons of other races sustained a violent crime in 2006.

American Indians are the biggest victims of violence BTW. Between 2001 and 2005, American Indians experienced violence at rates more than twice that of blacks, 2 1/2 times that of whites, and more than 5 times that of Asians.

A better indicator is age. Teens and young adults experience the highest rates of violent crime. For example in 2006 of all murder victims, 44% were 20 to 34 years old.

69 posted on 03/24/2009 9:40:13 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I dunno. California already has the highest incarceration rate in the world.


70 posted on 03/24/2009 9:42:03 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: garyhope
Aren’t most shootings and murders caused by black and Hispanic perps?

Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders--DOJ 2005.

71 posted on 03/24/2009 9:46:53 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: stevio

So do I. Anyone know which camp he’s in???


72 posted on 03/24/2009 9:49:50 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: ridesthemiles
ridesthemiles said: "Miss dotting an ‘i’ or crossing a ‘t’, and the VERY GUILTY perp walks free, "

While that may be true, it is not the problem. We need to resist the temptation to make conviction easier. There is little to indicate that convicting career criminals is a problem. They typically have many serious convictions on their records already.

The problem is that the "punishment" is insufficient to reduce the opportunity for career criminals to commit more crimes. The "three-strikes" law is exactly what we need to solve the problem. Parole is simply the means that muddle-headed liberals use to inflict the perpetrations of career criminals on the innocent.

In one of the early cases of applying three-strikes, a career criminal was charged with the strong-arm robbery of several children when he stoled the pizza they were eating at a pizza parlor. The hand-wringers were upset that we should imprison someone for stealing food. They simply could not grasp that having such an undisciplined criminal in our midst was a danger to everyone.

73 posted on 03/24/2009 10:19:01 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: SmithL

Isn’t it interesting that these kinds of things happen so many times more often under democrat presidents?


74 posted on 03/24/2009 10:55:07 AM PDT by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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To: SmithL
It would appear that the difference between Mr. Nixon and the average Oakland thug was practice. Mr Nixon could hit a 4 inch square at 25 yards with a handgun or a long gun.

Should we ban all felons from firing ranges?

75 posted on 03/24/2009 11:32:51 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: SmithL
"They didn't want to ban .50-caliber guns either, but these are weapons of war with no application in civilian life."

Let's see, most muzzle loading muskets are at least .50 caliber. These are used for hunting and re-enactments. Then there's the S&W .500, Ruger Bisley 500, Desert Eagle 50 and plenty more .50 caliber handguns used for hunting and shooting sports.

If this clown is talking about .50 cal sniper rifles such as MacMillans and Barretts, you have to pay a lot of money in licenses, taxes and the gun itself just to own one. Plus, it takes a lot of skill to shoot long distance with a .50 cal.

If the statists want to talk about guns, the least they could do is actually research their subject.
76 posted on 03/24/2009 11:33:16 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: SmithL
Better start hunkering down:

We call for support for the African community demands for genuine economic development and social justice for the African community.

The deaths of four members of the OPD on March 21, 2009, were the result of these relentless policies, which are manifested daily in the cold-blooded police murders, brutality and harassment of African men and women, youth and elderly by the heavily armed, military style Oakland police force

Article: Defend African People's Right to Resist!

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/03/23/18581462.php

77 posted on 03/24/2009 1:43:57 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: screaminsunshine

We need more of this in D.C.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675&hl=en


78 posted on 03/24/2009 3:25:45 PM PDT by rocket002
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