Catholics are LITERAL in our understanding of “Peter, you are Rock and upon this Rock I will build my Church.
That's not what the verse says...You can make it mean anything you want when you change it...That's why you change it...
Catholics understand that “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and Glory, for ever and ever Amen” were NOT spoken by Jesus.
No, they don't understand it...They just believe what they are told...
'thine is the kingdom' is missing in Nestles' text and Cantabrigeinis (5th-6th century), and Sinaiticus and Vaticanus and Jerome's Catholic revision (5th century)...However; the reading is found in every Greek manuscript but 10 of them (there are over 5000), including Freerianus (5th century) which is older than Cantabrigeinis...Sigman and Phi texts (6th century) and it is quoted by Chrysostom and also cited by Isadore Of Pelusium (370-440)...
If the vast majority of Greek manuscripts that originated in the area where Jesus lived, preached and died, contain the ending to the prayer, then so be it...
Besides, the FACT that the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory of Jesus Christ is stated so many times in Scripture, why would anyone want to mess with the statement here???
However, NO WHERE in the Bible does the Bible say that all faith must come from the Bible.
I agree...FAITH comes from Jesus Christ...Faith comes from 'hearing' (or reading) the word of God...And just as God didn't expect the OT Jews to remember what He said and pass it along, God had the NT apostles write the words down so we would know what we are hearing is actually the word of God...
In fact, all of the Books of the New Testament are ignorant of the existence of the other New Testament Books, they only refer back, individually, to the Old Testament.
How can you say that with a straight face???
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
It's clear they know who wrote and preached what...
Jesus often quoted the OT to remind the JEWS he was speaking to that 'their' bible pointed to HIM...
For the Early Church, the BIBLE did not exist
That's the early Catholic church...They had no need for the scriptures...They still don't...
so to insist that the Bible is the only way to salvation is to condemn the fast majority of Christians, from the First Easter to about 1500 AD, to Hell.
No one said that...But what is true is that the 'only' way to salvation is contained in the written words of God, and for a religion to teach that salvation comes from some tradition outside of what God revealed in the written scripture will definately lead someone to Hell...
Joh 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
Yes, He certainly did...Were these things passed on to your church to further guide us to salvation??? Absolutely NOT...
Joh 20:31 But these are written, NOT the the other signs that no one wrote about...THESE THINGS ARE WRITTEN, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
You better make sure everything you believe pertaining to your salvation comes out of the scriptures...
Opinions are one thing, but you are completely wrong on this point:
” agree...FAITH comes from Jesus Christ...Faith comes from ‘hearing’ (or reading) the word of God...And just as God didn’t expect the OT Jews to remember what He said and pass it along, God had the NT apostles write the words down so we would know what we are hearing is actually the word of God...”
The vast majority of Biblical scholars agree that the authors of the New Testament were NOT the original apostles.
Instead, these were written by the followers of the original apostles, independently of each other, when early Christians realized that a written record might be helpful.
“For the Early Church, the BIBLE did not exist
That's the early Catholic church...They had no need for the scriptures...They still don't...”
Nearly every thing said, in a Catholic Mass, comes directly from the Bible.
Every reading said, can be traced directly to the Bible.
Also, the Catholic Church is the MOTHER of the Bible.
God never commanded that a New Testament be written. The entire idea to combine the various NT books with the OT books was a CATHOLIC idea, inspired by God but not Commanded by God.
The Bible did not exist until the Catholic Church decided to create the Bible.
This is FACT!
Furthermore, to say that one book of the Bible references other APOSTLES is weak, weak, weak as an argument.
You will notice that no book of the New Testament references chapter and verse of a New Testament book, by name. SINCE NO NAMES EXISTED SINCE THE VARIOUS BOOKS HAD NOT BEEN EDITED, COLATED, PUBLISHED AND CANNONIZED YET!
You are an anti Catholic bigot.
I think that you are wrong on facts and doctrine, but I do not think that your error endangers your soul UNLESS you have reached the point where you condemn those who disagree.
You do not have that power, or that right, or that privilege.
You are simply wrong, and when YOU get to Heaven, God will gently correct your hubris.
Excellent points! (all of them)