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Shell dumps wind, solar and hydro power in favour of biofuels
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 17 March 2009 | Tim Webb

Posted on 03/19/2009 10:03:24 AM PDT by Fractal Trader

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To: gridlock

Sheesh! I had to look up who that guy was.

Wife Swap is not among my viewing favorites. (never watched it or heard of Stephen Fowler before now).

Yikes — what an A$$!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGXHXy4GVSw


21 posted on 03/19/2009 10:58:44 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: stuartcr

.......Just because an investment isn’t attractive, is that reason for not doing research? .....

Recall if you will the decade of the 70’s. All the alternative energy sources we hear about today and many many more we don’t, have been incentivised, granted and researched to death. The research has been done already and found to lead nowhere.


22 posted on 03/19/2009 11:03:40 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . John Galt hell !...... where is Francisco dÂ’Anconia)
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To: stuartcr
Well, we could dot the coastlines with nukes. That would be my plan. Then we could start drilling for oil everywhere.
23 posted on 03/19/2009 11:11:28 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Lokibob

That certainly does work — where you’re close enough to the hydro dams to schedule the loads appropriately.

The biggest wind power states are in the area east of the Rockies, tho — southeast (or southern) WY, ND, SD, MN, etc. Not much hydro in the area for storage.


24 posted on 03/19/2009 11:27:41 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: bert

So we stop research, and dump it on our grandkids and their kids?


25 posted on 03/19/2009 11:39:00 AM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: stuartcr
Just because an investment isn’t attractive, is that reason for not doing research?

If little things like keeping your kids fed and a roof over their heads is important to you, it's all the reason in the world.

26 posted on 03/19/2009 11:45:03 AM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: stuartcr

You seem confused about business. The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is not to engage in expeditions down blind alleys.

It is apparently not in the business interest of Shell to poke around under rocks and pour money down rat holes. In another post I mentioned Shell has developed new nitrogen gasoline additives. That took research.

They need not invest in nuclear technology either. That has been done by GE and Westinghouse/Toshiba who are in the electricity generation business.

If there are profitable avenues for research, someone will do it. Shell has elected to stay to it’s business.


27 posted on 03/19/2009 12:16:16 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . John Galt hell !...... where is Francisco dÂ’Anconia)
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To: Fractal Trader

You can’t build windmills, as they “hurt birds”. You can’t build hydro plants as they “hurt fish”. Solar is only efficient during a clear day, and doesn’t work at night (Supplemental only). What else is Shell to do? They have to remain profitable.


28 posted on 03/19/2009 12:20:07 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: stuartcr
"Just because an investment isn’t attractive, is that reason for not doing research?"

No one is stopping you from doing the research Shell does not want to do..get up off your computer chair and go do some research, spend a few (millions? billions?) and get back to us when you think it will make monetary sense.

Invest your time, your money first, not mine...if you can make it profitable, then I will see to it you keep all those profits for yourself...(Congress will have other ideas to that end, I assure you.)
29 posted on 03/19/2009 12:20:40 PM PDT by The Louiswu (I Hope Obama Fails!)
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To: Minn

I’m just wondering how much the cost of transportation will be for our kids kids.


30 posted on 03/19/2009 12:48:00 PM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: bert

I understand business, but I also have concerns for our future generations. Which is more important?


31 posted on 03/19/2009 12:49:00 PM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: The Louiswu

Right. If organizations that do have a lot of money do not do the research, who will?


32 posted on 03/19/2009 12:50:01 PM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: Hacklehead

“...a new generat­ion of biofuels which do not use food-based crops and are less harmful to the environment.”

Shell Green is people!

Just wait...


33 posted on 03/19/2009 12:53:34 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Buck W.
As a follow-up: 9 billion gallons of ethanol are currently bended into gasoline, by 2010 equal to appr. 2.6% of fuel consumption, with 25% of corn going into ethanol.
Congress's ethanol mandate rises to 36 billion gallons ethanol by 2020, which would consume more than 100% of US corn crop...if made from corn.
Ethanol equals 67% as much energy than petroleum fuel.
Remember all this media hoopla with full support of these tax exempt green interest groups and our anti petroleum, anti drill, anti coal, anti nuclear energy Congress and current President.
Such fall behind programmed and pursued by the left to drive this country into Socialism, Obama's ultimate objective.
34 posted on 03/19/2009 12:55:21 PM PDT by hermgem (Will Olmr)
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To: stuartcr

Your statements are confused. If you insist on condemning Shell to research on subjects that are not their business, you don’t understand business.

Their business is oil, not pie in the sky. That is to be left for others, for the market. May be they will succeed or maybe they will fail but that is not the concern of Shell.

Have you invested your money in alternative energy? Why not?


35 posted on 03/19/2009 1:26:11 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . John Galt hell !...... where is Francisco dÂ’Anconia)
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To: hermgem

“Congress’s ethanol mandate rises to 36 billion gallons ethanol by 2020, which would consume more than 100% of US corn crop...if made from corn.”

I think nearly everyone realizes that ethanol from corn is not practical or cost efficient. Thats why there is push toward feedstocks such as grasses and waste cellulose. The problem is that there are many techical hurdles as well as the enormous volume of material that must be processed. Plus it simple cannot compete with something you can just pump out of the ground and distill.


36 posted on 03/19/2009 1:36:31 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: stuartcr

If you question why others are doing costly research, I ask why don’t you commit some money to do such research. What you suggest is nothing but a variant of “not in my backyard”.


37 posted on 03/19/2009 1:53:39 PM PDT by monocle
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To: bert

I wouldn’t call what I said a condemnation.

How would the market fund alternative energy research? Surely not through donations. It will have to be done by corporations with deep pockets or governments. We would all certainly complain about more taxes for research. I would hope that there would be a shred of altruism somewhere within some of the big energy conglomerates.

I don’t have enough money to invest in alternative energy, unless the few mutual funds I do have are doing it.


38 posted on 03/19/2009 3:29:38 PM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: monocle

If I had enough money to be noticeable, I probably would. They can do any research they want in my backyard, it’s not very big though.


39 posted on 03/19/2009 3:30:51 PM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; Delacon; CygnusXI; Entrepreneur; ...
Thanx !

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

40 posted on 03/19/2009 4:46:43 PM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Most bad government results from too much government." - Thomas Jefferson)
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