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To: Non-Sequitur
I assume even you can detect a forgery here??

I've seen no "laws at the time" requiring dual citizenship if pops is a foreigner. Show them to me. And when did it change?

You can doubt Berg all you want, but at least he has an affidavit of the guy who interviewed granny as well as the tape of the conversation.

Oh, but since he (or anyone else, apparently) doesn't have standing, the courts won't get to listen to such evidence about your hero.

85 posted on 03/16/2009 1:12:22 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
I've seen no "laws at the time" requiring dual citizenship if pops is a foreigner. Show them to me. And when did it change?

Check the constitution of Kenya, Chapter VI. He was granted citizenship on December 11, 1963 because his father was a citizen. He lost it on August 4th, 1981 when he failed to renounce his U.S. citizenship.

You can doubt Berg all you want, but at least he has an affidavit of the guy who interviewed granny as well as the tape of the conversation.

And the affidavit says the interview was conducted in Swahili, which she apparently doesn't speak.

Oh, but since he (or anyone else, apparently) doesn't have standing, the courts won't get to listen to such evidence about your hero.

No he doesn't have any standing in court. Nor much credibility out of it.

90 posted on 03/16/2009 1:29:12 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: pissant
You can doubt Berg all you want, but at least he has an affidavit of the guy who interviewed granny as well as the tape of the conversation.

Have you read the transcript of the complete conversation, or only the part that Berg includes in his filings? Because if that's what you're hanging on to as the smoking gun, you've got problems.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was gonna go by and see where he was born.

(two male voices in background in foreign language speaking at the same time. Mrs. Obama or another woman in background.)

VOICE (background): It was Hawaii.

VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Hawaii.

BROTHER TOM (background): Hawaii, yeah?

VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Yeah.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (background): Yes.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii.

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, in 1960 this was Hawaii, where his father, his father was also marrying there. This was Hawaii.

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah.

MCRAE: Was, was, was Mrs. Obama, was sh--was she present? Was, was Mrs. Obama, see I thought you said she was present. Was she, was, was she, was she able to see him being, being born in, in Hawaii?

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (pause, silence) Hoh? (pause) Uh, yeah would you please pronounce?

MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she said she was present when he was born. I was—

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what--you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Because, because the grandmother was married here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America, oh yeah, so his son, the little Obama, was marrying, was marrying, in America, in United States.

MCRAE: Oh, OK, fine. I mean, I--I just, I misunderstood what she was saying. I thought you said she was present when he was born.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No, not present there. The present with me here was tonight. Not present so she can leave. No she was here in Kenya while he, uh, her son, the little Obama, was marrying in America. And, uh, he be present if it--

WOMAN'S VOICE (background): It was in Hawaii.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: --was in America there, why are they for, they go, they go, they go to some place, then the present isn't here sir, he was born there in America.

MCRAE: OK. Well tell, tell her I would like to come by and see her when I am there in December. I would love to, uh, meet her personally and pray with her.


108 posted on 03/16/2009 2:55:29 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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