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To: george76

If the camera doesn’t get a clear photo of the driver, what do they do then? I mean, you just can’t issue a ticket to a car, especially if there are multiple people that drive the car. Who broke the law? Everyone denies and the police will not waste the time and resources to prove the case. Remember, the burden of proof is on the state to prove who was driving, the driver has not burden to prove he was not driving.

Just how do “they” handle cases like this?


9 posted on 03/15/2009 1:16:46 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

They do issue it to the owner of the car. Owner has the option of paying the fine or identifying who was driving.


12 posted on 03/15/2009 1:23:02 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("From hell's heart I stab at thee... I spit my last breath at thee." ~ Khan Noonien Singh)
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To: Hulka

Good points - how do you prove who was driving? Also, what of my right to face my accuser in court? Who is my accuser? The inanimate camera? They person in AZ that confirmed what the technology saw? The local that reviewed it? I would argue that the local cops are acting on hearsay evidence. What of extenuating circumstances? “Sorry about that, I saw someone approaching me from behind at a high overtake speed and felt it would be unsafe to stop.” What are they going to do - there is no camera angle that shows the view in your rear view mirror. Are they going to take away our right to avoid an unsafe situation? Hey, I will do anything, lines, lanes, signals be darned, to avoid a collision. I have the fundamental right to self protection.


19 posted on 03/15/2009 1:53:15 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar (I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom. You can keep the "change.")
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To: Hulka
If the camera doesn’t get a clear photo of the driver, what do they do then? I mean, you just can’t issue a ticket to a car, especially if there are multiple people that drive the car. Who broke the law?

You're expecting some due process with these things? Don't be foolish! There is no way to fight it and the judges are in on the scam. There's no appeal, comrade. The only thing you can do is pay the fine.

20 posted on 03/15/2009 1:58:21 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO Kenyan Usurper - "Don't Tread On Me!!!")
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To: Hulka

There are these unfortunate constitutional issues of a mail in bill from a private company from another state.

No sworn officer, no proof of receipt of this bill, etc.


23 posted on 03/15/2009 2:09:33 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Hulka

The cameras take a picture of the windshield and they compare the driver’s face to the license photo. If I’m ever at risk of violating a red light camera I flip down my sunvisor and stick my face behind it, just in case. I know it’s not safe and I’ve only had to use that technique twice, but it works. And twins can appear in court and ask the “prosecution” to prove which one of them was the driver. If there’s doubt, the case must be dropped.


38 posted on 03/15/2009 3:33:20 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Two Kids' Dad ---- (T) - CA ** Join the "T" party ** ))))
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To: Hulka
The vehicle gets the ticket.

The driver does not.

Then, when the vehicle gets enough tickets, they confiscate and sell the vehicle.

41 posted on 03/15/2009 4:07:28 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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