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To: AJMCQ
"Obama produced a certified copy of his birth certificate from the Hawaii Department of Health, but critics argued that it was a fake or had been altered. "

A "certificate of live birth" is not a "birth certificate" of a natural born American. This has already been discussed ad nauseum for anyone who cared to listen.

IF the state of "Hawaii" issued CommieBama the COLB to post on the internet, AND, if it is real, THEN why has the Governor of Hawaii SEALED it? We've already seen it, HAVEN'T WE?

This whole citizenship thing stinks to high heaven of fraud, and treason. I hope it comes raining down and takes everyone involved in the coverup with it, including the Governor of Hawaii.

The dems tried their best to throw Bush out as an "illegal winner" of the election, even though the dems were caught several times trying to rig the election and double count hanging "chads". The difference is, Bush's win is provable and documented...also declared by both the Florida and Federal Supremes.

Obama posts a COLB that could have been produced in Microsoft Word, and everyone is shivering in their EEO boots about questioning it.

I guess we used up all of our civilian heroes in the Civil War.
11 posted on 03/14/2009 8:34:16 AM PDT by FrankR (We are only enslaved to the extent of charity (bailout) we receive...think about it.)
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To: FrankR

if a photoshop’d COLB is accepted as legal... who wants one? anyone want to be 0bama’s brother or sister? i can make one in 5 minutes.

what if there was a flood of these? how would the government respond? hmmm... i wonder if i could get a driver’s license using one. after all, no one can authenticate it unless i allow them to check


14 posted on 03/14/2009 8:38:04 AM PDT by sten
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To: FrankR

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2156633/posts
OBAMA HAS NOT MET HIS BURDEN OF PROVING HE WAS BORN IN HI

COLB = “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”

Excerpt:

“Prima facie” is a Latin phrase meaning “on its first appearance” or “by first instance.” It is evidence which is adequate, if not invalidated, to confirm a particular intention or fact. It is evidence that is sufficient to raise a presumption of fact or to establish the fact in question unless rebutted. A prima facie case may be insufficient to enable a party to prevail if the opposing party introduces contradictory evidence. In other words, it basically means that on the face of it or on the surface there is enough evidence to prove the alleged fact, unless and until the alleged fact is contradicted.


29 posted on 03/14/2009 9:18:34 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: FrankR
A "certificate of live birth" is not a "birth certificate"

Yes it is, It's the form filled out, usually at and by the hospital but not necessarily so, and signed by a parent, usually the mother, a witness, usually the attending doctor or nurse midwife, and the hospital registar for a hospital birth. However, a "Certification" of live birth is not, which is what the image posted purports to be, is merely an abstract of some of the information from the "certificate", but probably not enough to determine "natural born" status.

31 posted on 03/14/2009 9:35:12 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: FrankR
IF the state of "Hawaii" issued CommieBama the COLB to post on the internet, AND, if it is real, THEN why has the Governor of Hawaii SEALED it?

The governor hasn't sealed anything. You need to get your facts straight before shooting your mouth off.

The birthers have made up a lot of things and passing them off as "facts," when they are, in fact, false. The above is but one example.

This whole citizenship thing stinks to high heaven of fraud, and treason. I hope it comes raining down and takes everyone involved in the coverup with it, including the Governor of Hawaii.

Yes, it's a massive conspiracy, involving thousands of elected and appointed government officials, even scores of Republicans./sarcasm

45 posted on 03/14/2009 10:06:22 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: FrankR
IF the state of "Hawaii" issued CommieBama the COLB to post on the internet, AND, if it is real, THEN why has the Governor of Hawaii SEALED it? We've already seen it, HAVEN'T WE?

That's a good question, have we seen it?

However, she didn't really *Seal* it, except to the extent that all such documents are "sealed". Hawaiian law does not allow release of either a Certification of Live Birth, or a Certificate of Live Birth (or either of the other two sorts of "Birth Certificates" they have) to anyone but the person themselves, or a limited set of close relatives, without a court order that is.

77 posted on 03/14/2009 2:55:41 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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