“...to make my position look fanatic.” No, just to make your positions look religion based, which it appears to be.
WIthout getting into a complete and total discussion on rights as discussed by the Constitution/Dec of Ind/Fed Papers/etc, we differ from, let’s say Iraq which has in Art. 2 of it’s constitution: “First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation.” We have a freedom of religion. Say, if a religion accepts some belief you do not accept, are we not to bound to afford them the same freedoms and protections?
If not, how do you make the determination. Based will of the majority? Cultural history? Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance?
You say “ The bottom line is that homosexuality is NOT normal, NOT natural, IMmoral, deviant” — based on?
These are arguments that occur in the public forum. Is it important to persuade those who don’t agree with you?
Hoping to just move the dialogue and reasoning forward (here and in my mind).
I have no religious bias, in the sense of trying to push sectarianism, or even wanting to pressure anyone into any kind of religious or spiritual belief system, church, synagogue, temple or anything of the sort. On the contrary, I use universal moral principles to guide my intellect.
The only other option is to reject universal moral principles and be guided by one’s own faulty mind fueled by whims and desires, or other peoples’ faulty minds fueled by their whims and desires, and the faulty minds they were similarly influenced by.
Read my comment above about how there is no neutral ground. Either you are a theist or at least accept the theist moral principles, or you are an atheist and reject universal moral principles. Actually there are many atheists on FR who admit that they are guided by religious based universal moral principles and are glad those principles are still (to some extent) guiding our country and civilization in general. They admit their debt to such principles. This kind of atheist is fine - they aren’t trying to shove a-theist rebellion of moral principles down everyone else’s throat like you and the fellow who got banned upthread.
Of course, there is a subset of the second - fake religionists who are merely the second in a cloak.
Your phony rationalism is merely that - consciously fake talking points, probably obtained from websites dedicated to that art. All religions in the world condemn homosexuality as deviant, sinful, unnatrual and so on.
Common sense, medical science, psychology, and statistics support this.
You are a shill for the “gay” agenda and I’m starting to think you don’t belong on FR.