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To: PurpleMan; DirtyHarryY2K

I have no religious bias, in the sense of trying to push sectarianism, or even wanting to pressure anyone into any kind of religious or spiritual belief system, church, synagogue, temple or anything of the sort. On the contrary, I use universal moral principles to guide my intellect.

The only other option is to reject universal moral principles and be guided by one’s own faulty mind fueled by whims and desires, or other peoples’ faulty minds fueled by their whims and desires, and the faulty minds they were similarly influenced by.

Read my comment above about how there is no neutral ground. Either you are a theist or at least accept the theist moral principles, or you are an atheist and reject universal moral principles. Actually there are many atheists on FR who admit that they are guided by religious based universal moral principles and are glad those principles are still (to some extent) guiding our country and civilization in general. They admit their debt to such principles. This kind of atheist is fine - they aren’t trying to shove a-theist rebellion of moral principles down everyone else’s throat like you and the fellow who got banned upthread.

Of course, there is a subset of the second - fake religionists who are merely the second in a cloak.

Your phony rationalism is merely that - consciously fake talking points, probably obtained from websites dedicated to that art. All religions in the world condemn homosexuality as deviant, sinful, unnatrual and so on.

Common sense, medical science, psychology, and statistics support this.

You are a shill for the “gay” agenda and I’m starting to think you don’t belong on FR.


28 posted on 03/12/2009 6:58:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gama Tamasi Ma Jyotir Gama)
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To: little jeremiah

“there is no neutral ground.” In the debate there are, what 25% firmly ensconced on either side of the issue, maybe even 30%? That leaves 40-50% who have yet to choose a side. They are the “neutral ground” that has to be persuaded in the marketplace of ideas.

“All religions in the world condemn homosexuality as deviant, sinful, unnatrual.” However, there are those beliefs (sects of) who now do “approve” of in the Lutheran, Presbyterian, Anglican, Methodist, Unitarian and Jewish denominations. If “all” doesn’t mean “all” what does it mean?

“You are a shill for the “gay” agenda and I’m starting to think you don’t belong on FR.”

I’m a shill for Socratic dialogue and discussion, something we all need to become better at. In a pluralistic society, culture and nation it become more and more of a necessary tool. Hell, Lame McCain couldn’t persuade people to vote for him and he lost BHO did and won.

AS an aside, I would contend that the turn in the attitudes on abortion are because of people being persuaded through evidence, basically scientific, on the viability of life earlier and earlier and the questions raised about it not because people saying, “The Bible/religion says it’s wrong.” But then again, that’s a subject for a different discussion.


29 posted on 03/13/2009 5:22:38 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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