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To: AJMCQ

Well the media and his hordes of homeless people and lazy drug addicts seem pretty happy.


2 posted on 03/12/2009 9:17:27 AM PDT by exist
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To: AJMCQ

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.


53 posted on 03/12/2009 1:39:28 PM PDT by subrosa sam (subrosasam)
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To: AJMCQ

It’s a done deal, only a golpe can remove them now. The 2010 elections will be meaningless. Americans are too caught up in the “it can’t happen here” mentality and therefore will allow these epople to wreck the country and by the time they wake up it will be too late. The United States has died, now we need to figure out how to live under socialism.


61 posted on 03/13/2009 7:24:51 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: AJMCQ
If Obama's a Marxist or communist or socialist because he favors high taxes and more government, what about Harry Truman?

Truman favored even higher taxes and even more government. At least, the top tax brackets were far higher in Truman's day and he didn't want them lowered or stop his demagogic attacks on the rich.

Truman favored a universal, single-payer national health care system. During a train strike, Truman seized the railroads and wanted to draft the strikers into the military. That's a lot more than Obama's proposed so far.

But you'd have to be a real moron to call Truman a Communist or a Marxist, given his role in the Cold War with Stalin and the Soviets. Try looking up some of the rhetoric and imagery of those days. And "socialist" doesn't describe Truman, who had Harriman and Morgan partners in his cabinet, either. So what does that make Obama, who's a good deal more centrist than Truman was on economic questions?

There is a grain of truth to the argument, though. It's said that Norman Thomas, who ran against Truman on the Socialist ticket, later advocated winding up the Socialist Party because the major parties had adopted so many of the planks of its platform. Eventually the party broke up and left behind groups like the DSA which supported Obama early on in his career.

But so much of this "Obama is a socialist. Obama is a communist" talk comes from people who don't have much experience of real socialists or communists and don't bother with strict definitions of socialism. It's more just name-calling rather than anything truly descriptive. Or it's "socialist" as an adjective meaning "further to the left than I am," rather than a noun with meaning "advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods."

Is Obama a Communist because of his tactics? That's a shaky argument. If Obama practices the machine political tactics of Daley's Chicago. Does that mean that the Daleys are Communists? If conservatives organize against Obama along Alinskian lines, would that make us Communists? Politics is a rough game. People in politics do some pretty questionable things. But I doubt when we look at US politics we're talking about Lenin and Stalin, and it's silly or stupid to suggest otherwise.

Obama's doing some foolish things and he'll do more before his term is over. Concentrate on what he does, rather than the scare labels and you'll be more effective and have more self-respect.

67 posted on 03/30/2009 1:45:33 PM PDT by x
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