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To: Wil H

Your problem comes in with the “defeated”. See to defeat all comers they have to play everybody and beat them. It’s rare in sports for anybody to play the whole league (though the NBA and NHL do it, but with very few games across to the other conference), but you make the not just play the whole league but BEAT everybody. That’s just not gonna happen. And of course in the tournament section, the playoff tree part of the schedule, as you point out, comers will be eliminated before your world champion gets to face them. So therefore your world champion will NOT have “defeated all comers” and therefore NOT, by your definition, be a World Champion.

Maybe there’s no argument in most sports. But boxing proves that international organizations are just as unilateral in deciding they hand out World Championships. There are four organizations (IBF, WBA, WBC and WBO) that hand out World Championships in boxing. Unilateral decision making by international bodies.

FIFA’s first “World Cup” was 1930, FIFA’s first competition was 1906, 3 years before non-Europeans were in.

They’re ALL hollow titles. They’re sports titles, none of them mean a damn thing. And pro-boxing proves that even when you have your precious international body there “world champion” title means nothing. It’s no different if there’s one participating country or a hundred, it’s all silly sports titles. You’re right in one thing, intergalactic champion is just as meaningless as world champion. What you don’t understand is that ALL world champion titles that have EVER been given out by ANY organization in ANY sport are JUST AS MEANINGLESS. FIFA is no different than the NFL, just a silly sports organization that unilaterally decided they were going to crown world champions.


241 posted on 03/29/2009 5:16:48 PM PDT by razorboy
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To: razorboy
Your problem comes in with the “defeated”. See to defeat all comers they have to play everybody and beat them. It’s rare in sports for anybody to play the whole league (though the NBA and NHL do it, but with very few games across to the other conference), but you make the not just play the whole league but BEAT everybody. That’s just not gonna happen. And of course in the tournament section, the playoff tree part of the schedule, as you point out, comers will be eliminated before your world champion gets to face them. So therefore your world champion will NOT have “defeated all comers” and therefore NOT, by your definition, be a World Champion.

Your semantics are ridiculous. Defeating the rest of the field means winning the competition according to the previously agreed rules.

If it's a race, then 1st place defeats everyone else.

If it's a series of races, then it's the best combination of results that wins.

If it's a league, it's the best league points total.

If it's a sudden death knockout competition it's the last team undefeated (but they don't play everyone, just one other team per elimination round.)

You are making up ridiculous criteria and applying them to things I never said to justify your indefensible position.

Have you ever actually competed in any kind of competition? just wondering..

You can label all sports titles as trivial if you so choose, but there are millions of people who make a living from those sports and their income is affected by their success, or lack of it, based on those titles.

And just what is your point about FIFA? It was founded in 1906 to administer the international game, it oversaw the soccer in the 1908 Olympics and added members from beyond Europe shortly after that. Argentina, Chile, The USA and South Africa all joined before the First World War. By the time they put together the World Cup it was a worldwide organization. It now has over 200 member countries. So I don't understand your beef. The World Cup is a Global competition, and even from the outset had robust international participation.

242 posted on 03/29/2009 7:47:44 PM PDT by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume No Records, No References, Nobama..)
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