Darwin's arguments against God

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[GodGunsGuts]

Darwin’s arguments against God

How Darwin rejected the doctrines of Christianity

by Russell Grigg

Charles Darwin

Charles Darwin grew up embracing the ‘intelligent design’ thinking of his day—William Paley’s renowned argument that the design of a watch implies there must have been an intelligent watchmaker, and so design in the universe implies there must have been an intelligent Creator.¹ Concerning this, Darwin wrote, ‘I do not think I hardly ever admired a book more than Paley’s “Natural Theology”.² I could almost formerly have said it by heart.’³

Nevertheless, Darwin spent most of the rest of his life attempting to explain design in nature without the need for any purpose or a guiding intelligence...

[tacticalogic]

entire continents rip apart and slide a few thousand miles ina matter of hours.

Do you study geology?

[Nathan Zachary]

Do you study geology?

No I just build hydro dams. I study geological reports though.

[tacticalogic]

No I just build hydro dams. I study geological reports though.

What's your basis for claims of "entire continents ripping apart and sliding a few thousand miles in a matter of hours."?

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

where is the river delta from all the silt that should be at the outlet of the Colorado river where it empties into the gulf of California after carving out the grand canyon for millions of years?

From Wikipedia:

Until the early 20th century the Colorado River ran free from its headwaters in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado south into Mexico, where it flowed into the Gulf of California. Significant quantities of nourishing silt from throughout the Colorado River Basin were carried downstream, creating the vast Colorado River Delta.

Prior to the construction of major dams along its route, the Colorado River fed one of the largest desert estuaries in the world. Spread across the northernmost end of the Gulf of California, the Colorado River delta’s vast riparian, freshwater, brackish, and tidal wetlands once covered 1,930,000 acres (7,810 km²) and supported a large population of plant, bird, and marine life. Because most of the river’s flow reached the delta at that time, its freshwater, silt, and nutrients helped create and sustain a complex system of wetlands that provided feeding and nesting grounds for birds, and spawning habitat for fish and marine mammals. In contrast to the surrounding Sonoran Desert, the Colorado River delta’s abundance was striking.

From the Grand Canyon River Guides site:

For eons, from its very beginning, the Colorado River dumped its ever present load of silt and soil into the blue waters of the Sea of Cortez. A typical river delta appeared and grew. It grew until it reached the far western shore of the Sea of Cortez, eventually to become the wide, flat, wholly natural dam that exists today blocking off the northern reaches of that ancient sea from the open water to the south.

From the Northern Arizona University Department of Geography, Planning & Recreation:

The delta's current bone-dry state represents a stunning transformation of the green landscape travelers and native Indian tribes knew as recently as a half-century ago.

This fan-shaped plain the size of Rhode Island, built over eons from the river's silt, then supported a stunningly diverse array of plants and animals. At the river's mouth on the Gulf of California, the daily churning of the tides blended fresh and salty water and created an important spawning ground for sea creatures ranging from the tiny brown shrimp to the giant totoaba fish prized by anglers.

So now you know. Can we count on you to drop that particular talking point?

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

No I just build hydro dams.

Wow. You build dams and you still asked that question about the Colorado River Delta? Just wow.

[Nathan Zachary]

Not a chance. There is plenty of explanations for that (former) marshland, like the two huge lakes that used to cover the region.

[Nathan Zachary]

Besides, that explanation you posted doesn’t even come close to accounting for the billions and trillions of tons of earth that supposedly “erroded” over millions of years. what’s there is more consistant with the remants of a lake.

[Nathan Zachary]

"Wow. You build dams and you still asked that question about the Colorado River Delta? Just wow."

Well of course. In my business, you don't look at the visually obvious and make declarations.

As I said, that pretty sounding description full of assumptions you posted doesn't hold up to fact. The 'silt layer' is no were near thick enough to account for the amount of earth "erroded" out of the grand canyon. it's more consistent with the silt accumulated by a lake that once existed in the area.

[Oztrich Boy]

Is it not true that Darwin himself regretted his own beliefs on his death bed?

You are correct. It is not true. Just a falsehood spread by and for Evangelicals who prefer the myth to reality

[Nathan Zachary]

"What's your basis for claims of "entire continents ripping apart and sliding a few thousand miles in a matter of hours."?

A Catastrophic event.

It Also explains the formation of the mid-Atlantic rift which is exposed basalt layer. The rocky mountains on the west coast are also part of that event. So is the grand canyon.

[Oztrich Boy]

Back in the 1700s is was possible to group all known history life into groups (Kinds) and fit them on the Ark

Actually a century earlier, Walter Raleigh raised questions about the difficiluty of accommodating the recently discovered New World animals

[Nathan Zachary]

And you have absolute proof of that? Or are you just repeating gossip from some EVO web page?

[Nathan Zachary]

"Walter Raleigh raised questions about the difficiluty of accommodating the recently discovered New World animals"

Raising questions is a far cry from proving anything. But if you examine his questions, you'd see he was trying to load up the ark with unnecessary animals. Such as, why would Noah need to put a duck on board?

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

As I said, that pretty sounding description full of assumptions you posted doesn't hold up to fact.

I.e., everybody's wrong but you, huh? Why is there no historical record of a lake there? Why were steamships able to carry passengers from the Gulf of California to Yuma, Arizona if it was a lake and not a river delta? Why did people describe canoe trips through a "bewildering maze of green"?

[Oztrich Boy]

And you have absolute proof of that?

1. The onus of proof is on those naking the claim that Darwin recanted

2. It is denied by his daiughter

3. The fact that Mrs Denny only began to tell the tale some 33 years after it supposedly occured casts doubt on its veracity.

4. As does the circumstances that she did so in a foreign country to a naive audience.

5. see 1.

[tacticalogic]

A Catastrophic event.

Of course it would have been a catastrophic event. On what basis do you submit that such a thing ever happened?

You're talking about entire continents accelerated for zero to hundreds of miles per hour, and exposing thousands of square miles of the Earth's mantle to the oceans where the plates are separating, and grinding thousands of square miles of them together at the other side, all in "a matter of hours".

What evidence you you submit that such an even has ever occurred?

[Lazamataz]

I see. So I'm dumb, too.

Is there anything else I should know?

[Lazamataz]

[[Do I got it right now? ]]

No you don’t

Damn, I STILL don't have it right. Okay, so this person-like God created the whole Earth and all the life in it in 6 days, and the Earth is exactly HOW old, now? There was only Adam and Eve, and absolutly no other human beings on the planet, right?

[metmom]

Not news. Belongs in religion

Glad to see that you recognize that evolution is the religious belief that it is. The creation account of the atheist.

[metmom]

It’s called a theory and this one is backed by reproducable experimental facts.

Which ones show one species evolving into another completely different species; not just one that's a slightly different variation?