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Barack James Buchanan: Could Obama ...re-create economic conditions that led to Southern secession?
IsraPundit ^ | 3/10/09 | Bill Levinson

Posted on 03/10/2009 12:48:31 PM PDT by Winged Hussar

Could Obama's carbon emission policies re-create the economic conditions that led to Southern secession?

Who Pays for Cap and Trade? (Wall Street Journal, 3/9/09, A18) describes how Barack Obama's proposed carbon taxes and cap-and-trade mandates will affect different regions of the United States. The table shows per capita carbon emissions in tons. Highest are Wyoming, North Dakota, Alaska, West Virginia, Montana, Louisiana, Indiana, Nebraska, Kentucky, and Iowa. All are either Red States or conservative Blue States. Lowest are NJ, FL, WA, OR, MA, CT, VT, CA, NY, and RI. All except Florida are reliable Blue States with high populations of latte-sipping liberals who would not touch a machine in a factory (or even set foot in a factory) if they can possibly avoid it. It comes as no surprise that these states probably support carbon taxes, or cap-and-trade, because it would effectively transfer wealth from the industrialized South and Midwest, and from coal-producing states like PA and WV, to New England and CA.

The forcible transfer of wealth from one region of our country to another has happened twice in the past, and each time it led to secession and civil war. Most likely today is the peaceful demotion of the fifty states' "marriage" into a "civil union," perhaps a North American Commonwealth similar to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or Austro-Hungarian Empire. This is not something we advocate or desire, any more than we want cigarette smokers to get lung cancer. Cigarettes cause cancer despite our wishes to the contrary, and Obama's reckless and irresponsible energy policies might easily wreck the United States despite our wishes to the contrary. Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it, so we remind our readers of the interaction between the basic laws of economics and the driving forces of history.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: atlas; buchanan; carbon; cwii; galt; gulch; kyoto; obama; rand
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To: Winged Hussar
The South shall rise again!
(and much sooner than anyone expects if 0dumbo stays in power)
21 posted on 03/10/2009 1:07:08 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO Kenyan Usurper - "Don't Tread On Me!!!")
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To: RC2
I'm moving to Alaska to become a rich Oil Baron if they secede.
22 posted on 03/10/2009 1:07:35 PM PDT by McGruff (If the War on Terrorism is over, do the terrorist know that?)
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To: RC2
How about a new Capital, like Texas?

What? You want to make an entire state into a capital? Wouldn't it be sufficient to designate, I dunno, a city as the capital?

Regards,

23 posted on 03/10/2009 1:08:53 PM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: Winged Hussar
Barack James Buchanan: Could Obama ...re-create economic conditions that led to Southern secession?

When "Cotton is King!"

Regards,

24 posted on 03/10/2009 1:11:58 PM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: alexander_busek

Nope....if we are going to do it....do it the Texas way. Go big. That way the Texas Rangers could patrol the whole state. Maybe then they could shut down the border since you wouldn’t want illegals take over the Capital of the country. Gotta think big, gotta think big.


25 posted on 03/10/2009 1:14:19 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Non-Sequitur

As stated in the article, slavery did not cause the Civil War (because Lincoln did not even think of the Emancipation Proclamation until well after the war began).

The problem was tariffs that strangled the South’s economy, and they would have done so had the South’s cotton been harvested by free workers on horse-powered or steam-powered cotton picking machines.


26 posted on 03/10/2009 1:15:54 PM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: ladyjane

“Too many northern liberals have already moved down south. Unfortunately.”

Sort of like Nevada getting “Cali-fornicated” by immigrants who bring their Left Coast values with them.


27 posted on 03/10/2009 1:17:06 PM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: Winged Hussar
As stated in the article, slavery did not cause the Civil War...

The article is incorrect. The original seven Southern states seceded before the tariff was voted on.

28 posted on 03/10/2009 1:18:27 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
In fact, the Union army at Bull Run were mostly raw recruits.

But they sure could run.

You sound like a Japanese chuckling about how Pearl Harbor worked out for you.

29 posted on 03/10/2009 1:22:56 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: RC2

The country would be a big V, with the coasts cut off.

It would be WONDERFUL to be able to let the socialists live in their own little utopia and let the rest of us live in peace and freedom.


30 posted on 03/10/2009 1:26:02 PM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: ladyjane

There is a solution; “Their choice - support secession or go back.”

In any event, if secession would occur, I believe that there will be masses of people changing addresses.


31 posted on 03/10/2009 1:34:45 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: Winged Hussar
Have you stopped to think that this may be exactly what the Obama administration wants? Forcing a limited amount of states to attempt secession that he can easily put down, in effect chilling any widespread rebellion? I would much rather see the spirit of ‘76 then recreate the civil war.
32 posted on 03/10/2009 1:38:04 PM PDT by Durus (The People have abdicated our duties and anxiously hopes for just two things, "Bread and Circuses")
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To: wac3rd

California doesn’t belong to Mexico, Mexico never wanted it, never governed it, and gave it away after a couple of decades, at the behest of residents who wanted nothing to do with Mexico.

Read your history, please.


33 posted on 03/10/2009 1:42:27 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: RC2

“....Wouldn’t it be interesting is all States brought about secession and left Washington DC on its own. How about a new Capital, like Texas?....”

I oppose secession. I’d prefer to kick a few states out of the union.


34 posted on 03/10/2009 1:42:52 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Little Ray

The libs don’t have those things, either.


35 posted on 03/10/2009 1:48:06 PM PDT by ebshumidors
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To: Little Ray

The libs don’t have tanks, carriers troops, either.


36 posted on 03/10/2009 1:48:07 PM PDT by ebshumidors
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To: Non-Sequitur

John C. Calhoun developed his concept of nullification in response to Yankee-inspired protective tariffs over 3 decades before the Civil War, proving that tariffs were a long-running bitter issue between North & South. The only difference between the Confederate constitution and the U.S. one was that the Confederate one banned protective tariffs. Try reading some real history for a change, instead of Unionist propaganda.


37 posted on 03/10/2009 1:51:24 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Little Ray

i cant see there ever being another armed struggle amongst the states. the population is way too apathetic to ever risk their lives to fight. if any kind of secession were to take place, i can see it being a peaceful one... but even that is a long shot.


38 posted on 03/10/2009 1:54:09 PM PDT by philsfan24
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To: hedgetrimmer

When I went to the rally in Oakland last year on May Day, the Reconqista crowd said they wanted it back...

I would prefer to move, anyway. I hate this place.


39 posted on 03/10/2009 2:28:52 PM PDT by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: Winged Hussar
So far, global warming has been like the homeless, an issue Democrats use to attack Republicans, and conveniently forget about when they take office.

If cap and trade gets presented as rich states against poor states or urban states against rural states it won't go very far. If it becomes blue states versus red states, who knows?

40 posted on 03/10/2009 2:29:27 PM PDT by x
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