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To: Kansas58
However, the original Editor and Publisher of the Original Bible, the Roman Catholic Church

There's your problem...God never required an editor for His work...

the Roman Catholic Church, never claimed that God wrote the Bible, or any of its separate, diverse Books, directly.

What the Roman Catholic church thinks or claims about God or His written words is meaningless to many of us...

It seems odd to me, as a Catholic, that non-Catholics can question Papal authority (Which, by the way, only attaches when it is expressly applied) -— However, the same non-Catholics want to grant “infallibility” to the very HUMAN authors of the many separate Books of the Bible.

Well that's easy...'Outside of your religion, there is no papal authority...As for the 2nd part, Jesus recogized the authors of the scripture as infallible...And I guess He would know, eh???

The fact that your religon disagrees with Jesus is not at all uncommon, is it...

56 posted on 03/09/2009 6:32:57 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
The fact that your religon disagrees with Jesus is not at all uncommon, is it...

Actually, the Catholic Church disagrees quite powerfully with your interpretation of Jesus. That much is clear.

57 posted on 03/09/2009 6:34:21 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Iscool
As for the 2nd part, Jesus recogized the authors of the scripture as infallible...And I guess He would know, eh???

Yes He would. And through the Holy Spirit He guided His Church, the Catholic Church, to write and assemble the New Testament and to discern which books belonged in the Bible and which did not.

Later, the false traditions of misguided men deleted seven books and (unsuccessfully) added to another.

59 posted on 03/09/2009 6:37:56 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Iscool
Well, the origin of every Bible in the world is the Catholic version of the original Bible.

You need to learn your history.

The organization that edited, translated, collated, published and canonized the Bible, would, obviously, have more knowledge about the origin of said documents than YOU. That organization, of course, is the Roman Catholic Church.
Do you have some bogus history of the production of the Bible that you would like to present to us here? To say that the Catholic Church may have made some mistakes is one thing, but to deny the Catholic role in the very existence of the Bible is something else.

And, as far as disagreement with Jesus are concerned: “Peter, you are rock, and upon this Rock I will build my church, whatsoever you bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven, whatsoever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven” -— St. Peter is buried under St. Peter's Cathedral, in Rome. Rather strong claim to Papal authority, I would say. Now, if you truly understood, you would know that we are not required to believe that Popes will never make mistakes. They certainly have.

The point is only that faith should be based on tradition AND scripture, taken together, as there is no possible way that we can use Scripture alone to understand what was written, without knowledge of the culture and lifestyle and metaphors of the time.

Again, your Bible IS the direct product of the Catholic Church. I know that it has been modified, it was the Protestants who changed the Bible, to fit their theology.

Even so, said changes were rather minor, as compared to the parts we agree upon. Not my point to get into a theological discussion of every difference between the faiths.

I only wish to stress that you have no possible way to distance the origin of your Bible from the Catholic Church.

Your Bible is a DIRECT PRODUCT of the Catholic Church, with some of the original scriptures concerning purgatory and justification removed, to fit the Catholic Priest Martin Luther's need to rebel against the corruption he saw, in the church. Luther, by the way, informed Henry the XIII that even as King, Henry had no just cause to leave the Catholic Church. A copy of that letter is actually in the Vatican museum. Several spiritual texts were ruled heretical, and it was the Catholic Church that did not include those texts. Several Councils of the Church decided what to include and what to exclude.

If you feel the Catholic Church never had any legitimate authority, it is then you, yourself who has demeaned the very Editor and Publisher of the original Bible.

It would then be you that has demeaned the Bible, itself. You might like to read the explanation of this Presbyterian minister who converted to the Catholic faith. He began a Papal and Catholic critic, just like you:

http://www.geocities.com/catholic_profide/wbible.htm

86 posted on 03/09/2009 7:37:58 PM PDT by Kansas58
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