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To: Iscool
Well, the origin of every Bible in the world is the Catholic version of the original Bible.

You need to learn your history.

The organization that edited, translated, collated, published and canonized the Bible, would, obviously, have more knowledge about the origin of said documents than YOU. That organization, of course, is the Roman Catholic Church.
Do you have some bogus history of the production of the Bible that you would like to present to us here? To say that the Catholic Church may have made some mistakes is one thing, but to deny the Catholic role in the very existence of the Bible is something else.

And, as far as disagreement with Jesus are concerned: “Peter, you are rock, and upon this Rock I will build my church, whatsoever you bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven, whatsoever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven” -— St. Peter is buried under St. Peter's Cathedral, in Rome. Rather strong claim to Papal authority, I would say. Now, if you truly understood, you would know that we are not required to believe that Popes will never make mistakes. They certainly have.

The point is only that faith should be based on tradition AND scripture, taken together, as there is no possible way that we can use Scripture alone to understand what was written, without knowledge of the culture and lifestyle and metaphors of the time.

Again, your Bible IS the direct product of the Catholic Church. I know that it has been modified, it was the Protestants who changed the Bible, to fit their theology.

Even so, said changes were rather minor, as compared to the parts we agree upon. Not my point to get into a theological discussion of every difference between the faiths.

I only wish to stress that you have no possible way to distance the origin of your Bible from the Catholic Church.

Your Bible is a DIRECT PRODUCT of the Catholic Church, with some of the original scriptures concerning purgatory and justification removed, to fit the Catholic Priest Martin Luther's need to rebel against the corruption he saw, in the church. Luther, by the way, informed Henry the XIII that even as King, Henry had no just cause to leave the Catholic Church. A copy of that letter is actually in the Vatican museum. Several spiritual texts were ruled heretical, and it was the Catholic Church that did not include those texts. Several Councils of the Church decided what to include and what to exclude.

If you feel the Catholic Church never had any legitimate authority, it is then you, yourself who has demeaned the very Editor and Publisher of the original Bible.

It would then be you that has demeaned the Bible, itself. You might like to read the explanation of this Presbyterian minister who converted to the Catholic faith. He began a Papal and Catholic critic, just like you:

http://www.geocities.com/catholic_profide/wbible.htm

86 posted on 03/09/2009 7:37:58 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
not only for the multiplication and distribution of the sacred volume among the faithful when as yet no printing press existed, but even for the preservation of the Book from corruption an destruction. It is, then, undoubtedly true to say that, in the present order of Providence, it is owing to the Roman Catholic Church that we have a Bible at all. And no one will be a bit the worse Christian and Bible-lover if he remembers this notable year that it is to the Mother Church of Christendom he must look if he would behold the real preserver, defender, and transmitter of the ‘Word that endureth forever.’ – Henry Grey Graham.

HaHaHa...Man, is God lucky...What would He have ever done without you guys...No bible...No Christianity...And all this time I was giving God the credit for my bible...

The Protestant theory, on the contrary, which stakes a man’s salvation on the possession of the Bible, leads to the most flagrant absurdities, imputes to Almighty God a total indifference to the salvation of the countless souls that passed hence to eternity for 1500 years, and indeed ends logically in the blasphemous conclusion that our Blessed Lord failed to provide an adequate means of conveying to men in every age the knowledge of His truth.

This is a very telling testimony of this former Protestant preacher...

This guy clearly was never a Christian as a Protestant and there's no reason to believe He is a Christian as a Catholic...

Protestant Christians do not stake their salvation on the ownership of a bible...Apparently this guy did...The man's a liar...

And you guys are foolish for believing him, about anything...

The fact is that no religion yet known has been effectually propagated among men except by word of mouth, and certainly everything in the natural and spiritual position o the Apostles on the one hand, and of the Jews on the other, was utterly unfavorable to the spread of Christianity by means of a written record.

The Jewish people were not used to it, and the Gentiles could not have understood it.

Is this guy nuts??? The Jews flocked to the synagogues to hear the WRITTEN words of God...

How many times did Jesus refer to the WRITTEN Scriptures...God instituted an entire tribe of people to be the scribes and overseers of the WRITTEN words of God...

The very Book you condemn, condemns your religion...But you have been hookwinked into not studying it to see the truth...

112 posted on 03/10/2009 6:10:35 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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