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Beware the new axis of evangelicals and Islamists
The Spectator ^ | March 4, 2009 | Melanie Phillips

Posted on 03/05/2009 3:33:44 PM PST by Parmenio

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To: Parmenio
...anti-Israel Christians...

These fools must be holding their Bibles upside-down.

21 posted on 03/05/2009 4:26:47 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: ViLaLuz

“Christians who hate Jews are the same type that love abortion and homosexuality”

Bing bing bing - give the man cupie doll! Spot on!

Mel


22 posted on 03/05/2009 4:42:33 PM PST by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: Parmenio

This doesn’t surprise me. NAZI Germany had three SS divisions made up of and commanded by muslims. They worked in the Balkins on the final solution and most Arab leaders after the war had direct ties to these SS troops.

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23 posted on 03/05/2009 4:54:27 PM PST by stockpirate (A people unwilling to use violent force to defend liberty deserves the tyrant that rules them SP)
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To: Parmenio
anti-Israel Christians

There must be 8 or so of these people in the world.

24 posted on 03/05/2009 5:32:33 PM PST by Onelifetogive (Let's get to altering or abolishing!)
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Jimmy Carter hanging with Islamists isn't new.

25 posted on 03/05/2009 6:10:54 PM PST by SJackson (a tax cut is non-targetedÂ…no guaranteeÂ…theyÂ’re free to invest anywhere that they want, J Kerry)
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To: Parmenio
Sizer is a virulent opponent of Christian Zionism and of Israel, which he has said he hopes will disappear just as did the apartheid regime in South Africa. He has also applauded Iranian President Ahmadinejad for having ‘looked forward to the day when Zionism ceased to exist’. Nevertheless, the appearance of an Anglican churchman on a pro-Islamist platform in Britain is a new and significant development.

The Spectator uses the term "Evangelical" in a way that that is NOT the equivalent of "Evangelical" in America. The Anglican Church, or Church of England, would be considered a "Mainline" or "establishment" church in the US.

This article seems intent on casting aspersions on Evangelicals, who, with the exception of some like Jim Wallis, are supporters of Israel

26 posted on 03/05/2009 6:29:29 PM PST by happygrl (BORG: Barack 0bama Resistance Group: we will not be assimilated)
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To: happygrl

FYI, there is an evangelical movement in the Church of England.


27 posted on 03/05/2009 6:37:46 PM PST by Parmenio
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To: TFMcGuire

Precisely


28 posted on 03/05/2009 7:34:05 PM PST by RatRipper (Opposing the leftists for my family, my friends, and for me.)
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To: melsec

LOL... thanks.

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29 posted on 03/05/2009 7:39:29 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: melsec

Oh, by the way. I had the honor to serve with Diggers in Afghanistan. Great soldiers, great people!

God bless, brother.


30 posted on 03/05/2009 7:40:59 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Kieri
"Evangelical" Christians merely refers to the desire to spread the belief in Jesus as the Messiah to all people. It is the "great commission" we are all expected to do. It has nothing to do with a worldview or political ideology, but truthfully, if one has learned anything in Christian Sunday School, it is that the Israelites (Jews) were up against one powerful foe after another, and that God was in their favor. And they prevailed, by the grace of God.

Every child knows that the Jews will once again gather in their promised land (Israel) and that God himself will protect them against the aggressors. This is neither radical nor evangelical. It is what is written in the Bible, the Torah, the Word of God.

If Christians are railing against Israel and against the perseverance of the Jewish state, they have not read their instruction book. They are denying the Word of God. So what instruction book are they reading?

31 posted on 03/05/2009 7:47:28 PM PST by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Parmenio

If anyone is a true Christian, and they don’t support Israel, they are in for a very rude awakening. And I don’t think God’s averse to knocking them upside the head to accomplish that awakening.

There are many strong messages in the Bible, but one of the main lessons is PROTECT MY ISRAEL. And God will protect you.

Christians have no excuse for not being Zionists. None.


32 posted on 03/05/2009 7:53:26 PM PST by heat pipes
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To: Binghamton_native

Yes of course. Sorry.


33 posted on 03/05/2009 7:57:11 PM PST by DManA
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34 posted on 03/05/2009 11:21:50 PM PST by FARS
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To: FARS

thnx for the ping
marked to read tomorrow, so i can sleep tonight. this could get me agitated me thinks


35 posted on 03/05/2009 11:29:05 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: Parmenio
Melanie Phillips says there is a dangerous new alliance between anti-Israel Christians and radical Muslim groups, often plotting in secret against their common enemy

Whut?????

Sounds to me like that these people are more like neo-Nazi white supremacists rather than Christians.

And I don't see how anyone calling himself or herself a Christian can be "anti-Israel" considering Christianity's close historical and theological ties to Judaism.

This just does not pass the smell test.

36 posted on 03/06/2009 3:53:07 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Parmenio
Are any US evangelicals coming out against Israel?

No.

37 posted on 03/06/2009 4:13:59 AM PST by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: Parmenio
The libs have been salivating over and looking to find "Christian" terrorists for years...hoping to find anything they can point to.

So they find one whacko in England and call that a Evangelical-Islamic alliance.

IMHO, this is a typical liberal MO...making up an alliancce out of an obscure event so they can paint the whole with the same brush.

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38 posted on 03/06/2009 4:58:10 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Parmenio

In the UK, the popular definition of “evangelical” is broader than in the USA. Evangelical can be used about anyone who accepts the literal resurrection of Christ, and the other general creedal truths of the bible.

C. S. Lewis for example was in England considered very evangelical—though he did not accept the inerrancy of scripture. (Lewis had a very high view of scripture, but still not what the American understanding of evangelical requires).

Personally I think one must be careful about this article, as the author seems to have an axe to grind. One need not be a blind fanatical supporter of Israel for-Christian-prophecy reasons (the perception of many of what so-called “Christian Zionists” are about) to support Israel, the only real democracy—and civilized country—in the Middle East.

I heard Bishop Nazir-Ali—a key anti-Islamist mentioned in the article—speak at a conference recently, and his main point was that the reason immigrants in the UK (and Europe in general) are so isolated culturally from the Europeans, is in a large measure due to the un-Christian (or really post-Christian) lack of acceptance and bigotry they’ve faced over the last 40 years—coincidentally exactly when Britain turned its back on the Christian faith.

Islamic immigration in Europe is in marked contrast to Hispanic immigrants in America—where typically in one generation, or maybe 2, they fully know the language, and (although there are way too many illegals!) actually do integrate into our society. In Europe, with Muslim immigrants, this is not the case.

If evangelicals in the UK can win Muslims to faith in Christ (instead of fighting to force them out of the country) why is that a bad thing?


39 posted on 03/06/2009 5:33:42 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: TFMcGuire

Religions driving politics will result in continued death and destruction.


40 posted on 03/06/2009 5:35:46 AM PST by PurpleMan
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