Posted on 03/05/2009 5:24:15 AM PST by RobinMasters
Perhaps you’ve seen the video of the King County, Wash., sheriff’s deputy dishing out a bit of the rough stuff on a 15-year-old girl. At 3:45 a.m. last November 29, the girl was arrested while riding as a passenger in her parents’ car, which had been reported stolen to police. The video shows Deputy Paul Schene, 31, and a second deputy escorting the girl into a holding cell. The girl, apparently at Schene’s request, takes off one of her shoes and, apparently not at Schene’s request, kicks it at him, striking him in the shin with it.
It seems fair to say that at that point Deputy Schene … lost it. The video shows him charging into the cell and striking the girl, then shoving her against the back wall before throwing her to the floor. After handcuffing her, he picks her up and takes her out of the cell while holding her by the hair. A detective who later reviewed the video reported the incident, and Schene was charged in King County District Court with misdemeanor assault. He has pleaded not guilty.
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I guess in your world its perfectly reasonable for supposed “non-violent” offenders to kick, punch, bite, scratch or whatever officers? Should the officers just turn the other cheek?
“I can guess that during those eight years he has risked his life several times, most often without the slightest recognition by his superiors or the citizens he serves. “
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You might also guess that he has beat up prisoners several times, without being caught.
In his mind, he is THE LAW and an offense against him is punishable by him.
There are other people who have to put up with mouthy obnoxious teens - teachers, nurses, doctors and EMTs get handed insult and threats on a frequent basis by drunken, criminal or “entitled” patients, and do not respond with violence nearly as often police officers do - maybe because it would be too dangerous. But they manage to maintain professionalism, and so can the men authorized to carry guns and arrest on our behalf.
Belittling security guards does not bolster your argument.
No.
Should the officers just turn the other cheek?
No.
Now, do you honestly believe that the flipped shoe we saw in the tape caused the injuries described by the deputies in their report... YES or NO?
RE: “Belittling security guards does not bolster your argument.”
Good thing I didn’t do that.
RE: “Do you think there is any way the injuries described by both deputies were caused by the shoe flip we saw in the tape?”
No. In fact, i’d go so far as to say it was literally impossible.
YES. Now that we’ve establish that it is not reasonable for supposed “non-violent” offenders to behave in such manner, and officers should protect themselves and others from attack, why are you so concerned whether the shoe inflicted pain and injury to the jailer? Why is that your sticking point?
Agreed.
And most do!
Oh come one. You equate this brat's predicament with the holocaust?
Self-governed societies require that their members manage some basic level of self-control and respect for authority.
The cop overreacted, but like most of these video gotchas, the visual is far worse than the reality.
As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. unfortunately this girl's father has missed a wonderful "teaching moment" that could have paid big benefits in her future.
Mashood: YES.
Me: Thanks for a straight answer.
Mashood: Now that we've establish that it is not reasonable for supposed "non-violent" offenders to behave in such manner, and officers should protect themselves and others from attack, why are you so concerned whether the shoe inflicted pain and injury to the jailer?
Me: Because I don't like lying, especially by unionized government employees entrusted with power.
Mashood: Why is that your sticking point?
It's a character issue. If government officials lie on documents, they should be prosecuted, as well as shamed and scorned.
That's not what I said at all. Read my post again. I said that if we allow police to beat people without consequence, then they will, rightly, believe they are above the law. That is the very definition of a police state. Police states abuse innocent people every time. There has never been an historical example of a beneficent police state. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The holocaust was simply an example of what can happen when citizens allow the police to be above the law. When that happens even mass murder is possible.
Remember also that the police, as well as the army, are tools of government. Look at who is in charge of government right now. Do you really think making police all powerful is a smart move given the proclivities of the corrupt socialist gun grabbers now in power? They would have us disarmed and living on our knees in a second if they could.
No I am flat out stating that this guy crossed the line...he is a disgrace period and should be prosecuted...he should also be ashamed as a man to beat up on a little girl-bully at that. As for police, I have family members who are police and they hate guys like this who give them a bad name.
And the flip side of that coin is that a citizenry that does not respect legitimate authority cannot self-govern.
As I said, the cop overreacted; he should be punished in some administrative way, depending on his past record, which I do not know.
All I can do is try to imagine my father's reaction had I, at 15, after being arrested for driving a stolen car, berated the cops as being "fat pigs," did anything but respectfully followed their lawful commands, and then whined about a little attitude adjustment. He'd probably still be laughing at me.
There's a reason this girl was living with another family, the family that owned the car she stole, driving illegally, without permission, corrupting the other young girl, whose family was kind enough to take her in.
“Schene had previously been in the news in 2006 after he fatally shot Pedro Jo, a mentally ill man, during a struggle after a traffic stop on Interstate 5. It was the second officer-involved shooting of his career...An inquest jury ruled the shooting was justified....”
“...Shortly after the shooting while on administrative leave, Schene was stopped for driving under the influence...He had been drinking and taking prescription medication, according to court records. He received a deferred sentence and was placed on probation, records show.”/p>
Sadly, he has become the norm for police officers. The guy has shot two people and likes to drive under the influence, but not only has he never spent a day in jail but he kept his job. What kind of maniac would even want to still be an officer after killing two people? Serial killer comes to mind.
“And the flip side of that coin is that a citizenry that does not respect legitimate authority cannot self-govern.”
When police act like this guy and yet are never punished, can you blame the “citizenry” for not respecting the police? Police get exactly the amount of respect they deserve, which is to say none, thanks to officers like Schene. If officers who broke the law got sent to prison like anyone else when they broke the law, then they would get respect. As it stands now, a paid vacation, and a scolding, “punished in some administrative way” doesn't cut it.
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