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N.Y. Catholics: Dems Trying to Bankrupt Church
NewsMax.com ^ | February 28, 2009 | Richard Lawrence Poe

Posted on 03/01/2009 12:42:10 PM PST by Richard Poe

Democrats have declared war on the Catholic Church, with new laws that threaten to bankrupt Catholic schools, hospitals, charities and parishes. Thus far, the worst attacks have come in New York.

“We’ve taken a lot of hits this year,” Dennis Poust, spokesman for the New York State Catholic Conference, tells Newsmax. “Outside the government, the Catholic Church is the largest provider of health, human services and education in [New York]. But some legislators are so driven by malice that they’re willing to see our charities and schools go under.”

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TOPICS: US: New York
KEYWORDS: abortion; anticatholicbigotry; anticatholicbigotyry; catholicchurch; irreligiousleft; ny; nyarchdiocese
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To: GOPGuide

No, he believes in benevolent capitalism. He opposes the unrestrained materialism and step on your neighbor to get ahead attitude that has so infected the west.


101 posted on 03/02/2009 7:35:40 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Wrong, because losing the Catholic work in social services will cause tragic results for everyone.


102 posted on 03/02/2009 7:37:35 AM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Petronski
You are correct. Catholics supported McCain but not by as much as they supported GWB.
In 2004, white traditional Catholics went 78% for the Republican, George Bush, and 22% for Democrat John Kerry, according to a survey by Prof. John Green of University of Akron. In 2008, they went 61%-39% for John McCain over Barack Obama. That represents an amazing 17 point improvement for the Democrat.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123575245476095601.html
103 posted on 03/02/2009 7:39:30 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter
You are correct. Catholics supported McCain but not by as much as they supported GWB.

There's no word in the source article about the methodology used to calculate these stats.

I will say again, for the sake of clarity, that exit polls are not scientific.

104 posted on 03/02/2009 7:46:11 AM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Waryone
Higher unionized states tend to be more liberal but union membership is only ~16% in MA and ~25% in NY. I don't think unions are driving the ship anymore.

  Numbers (in Thousands) percentage
New York 2,029 24.9
Hawaii 136 24.3
Alaska 68 23.5
Washington 578 19.8
Michigan 771 18.8
California 2,740 18.4
New Jersey 703 18.3
Connecticut 275 16.9
Nevada 199 16.7
Oregon 259 16.6
Illinois 939 16.6
Rhode Island 78 16.5
Minnesota 392 16.1
Massachusetts 458 15.7
Pennsylvania 847 15.4
Wisconsin 396 15

105 posted on 03/02/2009 7:58:08 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
As a result of this lib focus, there are people who do not know that they must do something penitential in nature EVERY Friday. All they know is that it's ok to eat meat.

Pet peeve!!

106 posted on 03/02/2009 7:59:38 AM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Patriotic1
I said--- If this is true, then perhaps it is poetic justice for the Catholics who have been voting Democrat all of these years. Or, perhaps I am wrong?

You said--- Wrong, because losing the Catholic work in social services will cause tragic results for everyone.

How will it result in tragic consequences for everyone?

107 posted on 03/02/2009 9:43:10 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Petronski
I guess slander is the order of the day on this thread.

If I remember correctly, didn't you disagree vehemently with me when I indicated the markets were going to collapse along with housing prices? Yet, they did.

108 posted on 03/02/2009 9:44:15 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Are you dragging a dispute from one thread to another?

What might your motive be for that?


109 posted on 03/02/2009 9:56:55 AM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Of course it helps to prove it.

When Catholic areas are also union areas, the point is largely proven.

110 posted on 03/02/2009 11:22:59 AM PST by what's up
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; Patriotic1
MeneMeneTekelUpharsin wrote: If this is true, then perhaps it is poetic justice for the Catholics who have been voting Democrat all of these years. Or, perhaps I am wrong?

Patriotic1 replied: Wrong, because losing the Catholic work in social services will cause tragic results for everyone.

MeneMeneTekelUpharsin responded: How will it result in tragic consequences for everyone?

The destruction of Catholic schools, hospitals and charities will have tragic results for everyone because these institutions are America's leading providers of Christian education, Christian health care and Christian charity.

The services they provide are superior to those provided in secular institutions for all the same reasons that Christianity itself is superior to secularism.

If these Catholic institutions fall, their demise will be celebrated in the media as a triumph of secularism. The media will declare that they died because they were no longer needed. Henceforth, government -- along with public-private partnerships such as charter schools, devoid of religion -- will provide all our needs.

The fact that these Christian institutions were crushed by acts of government will go unreported. Most people will think they died a natural death. Their passing will be interpreted as one more symptom of Christianity's irrelevance in the modern world.

Having succeeded in this project, the enemies of Christendom will be emboldened to finish what they started. With the largest, most powerful Christian church in the world lying broken at their feet, they will turn their attention to the lesser denominations. And they will move swiftly.

111 posted on 03/02/2009 2:34:18 PM PST by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe

Better reply than I could have typed :)


112 posted on 03/02/2009 2:38:30 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Petronski

Got an answer down below. However, thanks for trying anyway. I communicated with you where I found. That’s my prerogative. Thanks.


113 posted on 03/02/2009 2:55:56 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Management prohibits dragging disputes from one thread to another.


114 posted on 03/02/2009 4:12:41 PM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Richard Poe; All

“We Catholics must pull together in this fight, for it is clear we will have few allies.”

That’s right, and nonCatholic prolifers should stand with us.

btw, let’s not forget to write letters to the editor about this topic, particularly to reach folks who don’t use an internet or listen to talk radio, like my dear elderly aunt, who ALWAYS reads letters to the editor.


115 posted on 03/03/2009 10:47:46 AM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: wmfights; All

“How do you fix the problem if you don’t figure out who put these Rats in power?

It’s real easy to complain after the fact. The hard part is fixing the problem within churches. There are too many “Christians” who vote for these people.”

I am a Catholic that voted against Obama and for Palin. Too many Christians, including Catholics and evangelicals voted for Obama. So should we “good guys” allow the left to win?

The leftists in NY and D.C. would love to get rid of all charities, not just Catholic charities, because then we would be dependent on the govt. for EVERYTHING, and then the govt. gets more control. Do you want that to happen?

It’s not the Catholic faith, it’s Catholics, and other Christians who voted unwisely that helped Obama become POTUS, and other Dems.

Forget about your anger at them, and FIGHT the good fight or we will be slaves to the govt.!


116 posted on 03/03/2009 10:59:44 AM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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