[Responsibility2nd]

This.... This is the Great Zot thread.

Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
Saturday, April 21, 2007 8:42:25 PM · by Jim Robinson · 18,440 replies · 498,163+ views

Kidster: My remarks back in Post # 14? They apply to you. I agree with demshateGod. You should Get Real.

You Liberaltarians argue for a smaller government. Yet you are here advocating that we abandon the ideals that made America great. That we legalize dope. Which would create an enormous need for more prisons and more hospitals to house the millions of addicts that will appear overnight.

Then you call for the legalization of this dope? Do you listen to yourself? With higher taxes comes bigger govermnent. Maybe you want Obama to appoint a Drug Czar? Maybe the next stimulus package could earmark 100 billion dollars for the US drug industry?

Apart from Liberaltarians having no moral conscience towards illegal drugs, they also are hypocrites.

[starlifter]

You made my day:

“Yet you are here advocating that we abandon the ideals that made America great. That we legalize dope.”

I must have been sick the day they covered that in high school.

Thanks for a good laugh - we don't get enough of them.

[demshateGod]

Thanks for the link.

[TheKidster]

Your assumption that we'd have millions of addicts overnight is a straw man and you know it. If people want to do drugs they do today. Is the illegal nature of pot the only reason why you and your family don't do it? Is that all that's stopping your kids from smoking crack? This is where your fear blares out like a neon sign. People decide not to do drugs for many reasons outside of the legality of it. Those same people won't change just becasue the law does. You should trust the American people more. Most people don't do drugs because of the negative consequences of addiction, getting in trouble with the law is only a small part of that. Legalizing drugs would free up prison cells for violent offenders that are currently held up by people who arent' violent and got caught up in mandatory minimum sentences.

The govt. taxes all commodities, they tax milk, they tax cars and they tax booze. You can't sell something retail without taxes being paid and collected. That isn't going to change. The argument that libertarians are hypocrites because they say to tax narcotics is also a straw man. It's just common sense that they'd be taxed if sold retail. Taxes suck and we have too many but in this case at least the money could be used for specific purposes to educate about addiction and help with treatment. If you don't want to contribute to that then don't buy any drugs. Drug users would be funding thier own support system.

You can't legislate morality, people must be given the freedom to do pursue happiness as long as they don't hurt or defruad others. By your argument we should be regulating TV more closely, outlawing many magazines and jailing those who sell sex toys. All these things have immorality surrounding them but I don't hear you arguing for any of this. Why not, because you know that we can't legislate morality outside of protecting people from fraud or assault. This is where drug warriors' hypocrisy is evident. They only want to legislate morality when it comes to some drugs and not much else (unless they are just a nanny stater). What about alcohol? It's consumption leads many to debauchery and is considered immoral do you want to bring back that prohibition as well?

[demshateGod]

That’s hilarious. I’m looking at the posts and all the jokers who defended Rudy have been banned.