[rjsimmon]

Maybe God formed man and shaped him by the process of evolution?

Then we still would not need redemption, much less have His Son go through the horror he did on Calvary's tree.

[ColdWater]

Then we still would not need redemption, much less have His Son go through the horror he did on Calvary's tree.

Why not? It may all be part of God's plan. It is presumptious for you to declare that you know God's plan.