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To: DallasMike; metmom
"Much scientific knowledge is known beyond a reasonable doubt. For example: the age of the universe. Yes, scientists may disagree whether it is 13.7 or 14.5 billion years old, but no one believes that it is 6,000 years old."

The ramblings of one devoid of understanding.

All "old age" estimates of the age of the universe fail because they disregard the expansion of time that had to go hand in hand with the expansion of space. There has to be a point from which all things originated, and expanded, and at that point the true age is quite small.

Earth is that point. (whether you like it or not)

"compare the geneologies in Matthew 1:6-16 and 1 Chronicles 3:10-16. I believe that the Bible is literally true, and I know several possible ways of reconciling the contradiction. How would you explain the contradiction?"

If you were a Bible student rather than a Bible attacker, you would probably know that God declared that certain people would be removed from Israel's history for their idolatry, and constant disobediance. They happen to be the ones missing from that geneology. Amazing, huh?

130 posted on 02/23/2009 9:18:44 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
All "old age" estimates of the age of the universe fail because they disregard the expansion of time that had to go hand in hand with the expansion of space. There has to be a point from which all things originated, and expanded, and at that point the true age is quite small.

According to theory, with acceleration time slows down. Therefore the '24 hours' in the Bible (told to us in our frame of reference were actually billions of years in real time.

131 posted on 02/23/2009 9:22:04 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: editor-surveyor
All "old age" estimates of the age of the universe fail because they disregard the expansion of time that had to go hand in hand with the expansion of space. There has to be a point from which all things originated, and expanded, and at that point the true age is quite small.

No, they don't fail. All of the methods of dating the universe and the earth are in excellent agreement with one another. And experiments have proven the theory of relativity regarding time. Might some fine adjustments be needed? Certainly. But the big measurements have proven the theory essentially correct.

Time dilation, predicted by the theory of relativity, has been proven. I don't know what you mean by "time expansion." If you're going to try to talk science, you need to use scientific terminology.

There has to be a point from which all things originated, and expanded, and at that point the true age is quite small.

Earth is that point. (whether you like it or not)

Really? How do you know this? Does it say this in the Bible? Can you point me to chapter and verse?

And what do you mean by the true age being quite small at the point where the Big Bang originated? What do you have to support your statement?

The Big Bang has no center. No matter where you are in space, it appears that you are at the center. Think of it like the horizon. No matter where you stand on earth, you see a horizon and it appears that you are at the center. The horizon is different at every point on earth. The universe is homogenous and isotropic.

Space is expanding everywhere, except where it is overpowered by gravity or by chemical bonds. Except for nearby galaxies, all galaxies are spreading apart. Space itself is expanding between the galaxies.

If we were to move the Hubble Telescope 1 billion light years away from it's present position, it would be able to see distant objects in its radius of view that we cannot see from earth. Similarly, it would not be able to see some objects that we can see from earth.

Since the expansion of space is accelerating, there will be a time about 20 billion years from now (absent a direct intervention by God) when gravity and chemical bonds will no longer be able to hold mass together.

Please provide logical, scientific, or Biblical evidence for your claims.

If you were a Bible student rather than a Bible attacker, you would probably know that God declared that certain people would be removed from Israel's history for their idolatry, and constant disobediance.

If you had read my post, you would see that I wrote "I know several possible ways of reconciling the contradiction." What you said is one of the ways -- I have said that explicitly in a previous thread. We do not disagree on that, and I sincerely compliement you on your understanding. Another possibility is that the Bible might sometimes use clans, rather than individuals. That's quite common in historical records, too.


187 posted on 02/23/2009 11:33:04 AM PST by DallasMike
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