Posted on 02/21/2009 6:03:46 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
Here are your own words where you want to eliminate evolution from the public school system. I believe it is well documented on FR that you want to teach your beliefs in the public school system. Yes or no?
“Those who need the ToE for their chosen career fields can take it at the college level. The only reason to push it in high school to kids who are never going to need it, is to push an ideology on them.”
Why do you ignore the literal statements in the Bible?
Or are you just confused when something seems harder than your belief system?
Which verses do you pick and choose to believe as literal and why?
That's not what you said. You said that I wanted to remove evolution from the schools AND replace it with my beliefs. See post 299 for a break down.
So what's the big deal with me wanting my beliefs taught in the public school system? Evos/atheists want their beliefs taught in the public school system, too. What's your point?
What is unconscionable is forcing those beliefs on others through litigation so that those beliefs have a monopoly in the public school system against the clearly stated wishes of the majority of the parents who are paying for their children's education through that system.
And that is what the atheists and evos are doing with the full co-operation of the NEA and the ACLU. And the evos are giving their full support to those tactics.
“It is the only one whose periods of rotation and revolution are synchronized, so that the same side always faces the earth”
I was skeptical of this claim, and see that Strategerist responded. But I believe your other claims are valid. That the moon and sun appear the same size also provides the opportunity for excellent eclipses. These have stimulated our imagination and proved of considerable use to science. There are many eclipses in the solar system, but the others are much too brief or incomplete by comparison.
Our sun also has remarkable properties, one being that our sun is more stable than most, allowing life to exist. Our location in our spiral arm of the galaxy is also conducive to life and discovery. There are many more coincidences. A good book on this is Our Privileged Planet.
If you deny that anything exists beyond yourself, then you have cut yourself off from all rational discussion (and therefore Christianity and conservatism). Having said that, I think I will save my thoughts for those who recognize that I am more than a figment of their own imagination.
“Who says a day is constant”
Who says the value of c is constant?
In both cases, these would seem to be reasonable assumptions, but assumptions just the same.
God created light before he created the sun. Read the Bible.
I like your tag line. Quite true.
The last time I someone told me that “europeans are sophisticated” I replied that the best europeans are here (in America) already.
I mean no offense to European Freepers. They are so far to the right side of the european political bell curve that we would benefit if they were to immigrate to the US.
Do I detect a bit of projection? God is watching and waiting for all of us. The difference between Christians and non-Christians is that Christians are given a get out of hell free pass simply by accepting Jesus Christ, God's only son. I would hate to be in the shoes of those who rejected God's only son on judgment day.
insert “important” at proper point!
==Well, the words of the apostle Paul are not just the words of mere mortals and his comments about that 7th. day of rest, shabath, is not without relevance to the Genesis account seeing that 7th. day is not said to end
Pauls words in no way alter the Genesis creation account. And the 7th day was the last day of a series. Each of the previous days in the series had a beginning and an end within the space of a normal earth day. It seems to me you are going to great lengths to read something into the Bible that simply isn’t there. What is plainly there is that God created the Universe and everything in it over the course of a time period that corresponds to seven earth days. If long-ages was the meaning God meant to convey, why did He use the word we use for day followed by a reference to a solar evening and morning?
==But to reason from your point of view, of the different meanings of the word “day” you’ve chosen what you’ve termed “a straightforward reading” of literal 24 hrs. though the use of “day” doesn’t require that at all.
The word day in the Bible carries a number of meanings, depending on the context. However, when the word day means something other than a normal earth day it is modified by other time indicators. No such expansive time modifying indicators appear in the Genesis account of Creation Week. In fact, God does just the opposite. He modifies the word day with cardinal and ordinal numbers, followed by evening and morning, to make it absolutely clear that we are not to confuse the time periods involved with expanded or indefinite periods of time.
==If those 7 days were 24 hrs., then the 7th. is long over by anyone’s reckoning and Paul’s words must mean something else there in Hebrews 4:4,5 and elsewhere.
The seventh day of creation is long over, and Paul’s words do mean something else than Hebrews 4:4,5.
==Now pointing to such may seem to you “exegetical contortions” but Paul wrote under God’s inspiration and his words about that 7th. Genesis day do not fit a 24 hr. day long past and completed nor must they given the meaning of “day”.
Nothing in what Paul says in Hebrews 4:4,5 changes the fact that God rested on the 7th day. If I told you that I worked for six days and set aside a specific day of rest from that work on the seventh, and then never worked another day in my life, it does not stand to reason that I am still resting from the six days in question. The seventh day of rest is specifically related to the previous six.
“Yeah, I always thought an ignore feature would be a good idea here.” [excerpt]There is such a feature.
“Looks like you’re going to supplant me as the most evil thing to walk this planet if you don’t watch out.... ;)”They've got a special place in their hearts for you...
“Oh, don't forget, lying is a sin and God is watching you..... and waiting.... ” [excerpt]Heh, I'm going to be watching him too.
Considering that you're stumping for evolution, which in all its forms (including so-called "theistic evolution" or "old earth creationism") is a rejection of God's Word, I'd say your right - you DON'T have any power with God, in any way shape or form.
hmmm. You are too simplistic. I believe that God wants one to live an honorable life, also.
I do read the Bible. As you may go back and read my several posts where I admonish some of your "bible-thumpin'" friends who misquote the bible.
But God said he rested from all his work. Since, as we have been told by several on these threads that God speaks in words that have meaning in our manly reference, we must read this literaly that God toiled and then had to rest on the seventh day.
2 And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation.
http://www.bibleinschools.net/ — “To date, our Bible curriculum has been voted into 475 school districts (over 1,900 high schools) in 38 states. Over 353,600 students have already taken this course nationwide, on the high school campus, during school hours, for credit.”
There are also voluntary sectarian religious clubs and associations widely available to public school students throughout the country.
The notion that religion is kept out of public schools is utter hogwash. What is not permitted is singular endorsement of a particular religion, which is what you two (metmom and tpanther) seem to be upset about.
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