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Army medic gets life in killing of 4 Iraqis
CNN.com ^ | updated 9:12 a.m. EST, Sat February 21, 2009

Posted on 02/21/2009 12:33:41 PM PST by Gondring

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And what will they do with prisoners when Barry has his way and all detention centers are closed?


21 posted on 02/21/2009 1:24:39 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Lancey Howard

“This tragic story underlines why it is necessary to kill and keep killing until no enemy combatants are still moving.”


If that became the standard policy of the United States we would no longer be the United States and many GIs and veterans such as me would already be dead, or would be engaged in combat against your regime.

Even in the rare, behind enemy lines, small unit such as LRRP/LRS the possible killing of captives is dreaded and is not discussed openly (it is discussed privately among the teams, as is having to possibly kill a wounded team member).


22 posted on 02/21/2009 1:26:48 PM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: Jacquerie
I wonder if any of his buddies were killed by the terrorists he ‘offed.

My first question exactly.

23 posted on 02/21/2009 1:26:50 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Gondring

Should’ve gotten death.


24 posted on 02/21/2009 1:31:55 PM PST by WheresMyBailout
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To: ansel12
You are imagining a war that doesn't exist right now. Most of these enemy combatants are not even Iraqis - - they are insurgents who come in from Iran, Syria, Jordan, and God knows where else, bringing with them the cowardly implements of IEDs, rockets, and mortars, etc., for the sole purpose of creating chaos and killing Americans and Iraqis. I stand by my opinion that you get rid of every last one of them, mercilessly.
25 posted on 02/21/2009 1:43:24 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

You are imagining a sick fantasy of a United States that implements a policy of no enemy taken alive in war.

We don’t play that way even against insurgents and guerrillas such as our 70 year indian wars in the west.


26 posted on 02/21/2009 1:48:38 PM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: Gondring

Someone could argue it was the same thing as a firing squad.


27 posted on 02/21/2009 1:48:42 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: seowulf
Yeah, a medic who forgets what he's supposed to be there for, and goes even more berserk than even the too often murderer in the field.

I'd say the firing squad's about right.

28 posted on 02/21/2009 1:52:12 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Secret Agent Man
I wouldn’t convict him of murder. I guess I have different standards than the military.

I wouldn't either and I was in the military and sat on several Courts Martials, though none like this. These days, a guy on the battlefield has to review the rules of engagement, radio some fat-a$$ed desk jockey (maybe in Washington) and consult a lawyer just before returning fire. It's ridiculous and no way to conduct warfare. I'm guessing Black Jack Pershing or George Patton would put up with these rules.

29 posted on 02/21/2009 1:53:55 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO Kenyan Usurper - "Let his days be few, and let another take his office." Psalm 109:8)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

“I’m guessing Black Jack Pershing or George Patton would put up with these rules.”


Are you accusing those men of murdering prisoners?


30 posted on 02/21/2009 2:01:26 PM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: ansel12

“We don’t play that way even against insurgents and guerrillas such as our 70 year indian wars in the west.”

I was quite surprised when watching some History channel show about WWII and fighting on the Pacific Islands. A couple of the old marines mentioned how they did not take prisoners - “we weren’t set up for that”. Very matter of factly stated. Even coming out of their caves with white flags, etc.

In a doctors office once I browsed a coffee table book about Medics throughout history. Lots of big pictures, etc. One medic told of going into a concentration camp to help the prisoners and they found several of the guards that had not been able to flee before the Allies came. They rounded them up in the square and the medics shot them on the spot.

I guess I always envisioned WW II like the movies - heroic, gallantry, fighting by the “rules”, etc. But, just like any other war “War is Hell”.


31 posted on 02/21/2009 2:06:23 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: ansel12
You are imagining a sick fantasy of a United States that implements a policy of no enemy taken alive in war.

You're confused. I never said any such thing.
Anyway, good luck with whatever you're smoking.

32 posted on 02/21/2009 2:07:38 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Secret Agent Man

Which would violate the Geneva Conventions, of which we are an HCP.


33 posted on 02/21/2009 2:11:13 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: 21twelve

You can read post 22 and see that I know about exceptions, even acceptable ones although they are never codified as legal.

In every war there are atrocities, and there are especially small incidence’s which quietly go away for the winning and even losing armies because of the fog of war and the lack of priority when there is so much else to do after a war, but nonetheless it is also often found out and convictions won.

None of this has anything to do with the idiotic idea of the United States dropping all rules of law and just killing all captives as a matter of policy.


34 posted on 02/21/2009 2:15:36 PM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: Lancey Howard

“The problem was that prisoners were taken in the first place. For what possible reason? Prisoner exchange, lol? This tragic story underlines why it is necessary to kill and keep killing until no enemy combatants are still moving.”


You are the weirdo here that must be smoking something.

It is you that wants to change America and it’s military to something that it has never done, would never tolerate, and never will do.

Defending the United States and it’s permanent and historical military practices as regards prisoners is not the unusual or new, or outrageous position.


35 posted on 02/21/2009 2:22:44 PM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: Gondring

Terrorists are not covered by the Geneva Convention. You know that. It would not apply.


36 posted on 02/21/2009 2:29:56 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: ansel12

These ‘prisoners of war’ are not regular army soldiers. They are terrorists and do not fall under the Geneva Convention.


37 posted on 02/21/2009 2:31:32 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Are those quote marks around the words prisoners of war, they aren’t mine.

Generals Pershing and George Patton did not execute their prisoners as you implied.


38 posted on 02/21/2009 2:36:28 PM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: ansel12

You have the wrong person. I never mentioned Pershing or Patton. reread the posts.


39 posted on 02/21/2009 2:39:10 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Sorry, I saw that long name and didn’t double check.


40 posted on 02/21/2009 3:00:21 PM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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