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Results from nationwide poll (Overwhelming support for teaching both sides of Evolution debate)
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| February 3, 2009
Posted on 02/19/2009 4:06:47 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Cedric
No, as opposed to having a mocicum of intellectual integrity.And that's your idea of presenting a civil argument on the weaknesses of the ToE?
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:35:04 PM PST
by
tacticalogic
("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
To: mlo
Trying to pick holes in evolution doesnt make creationism a science. Correct. Facts and evidence do. And there are plenty of both. Let them be heard!
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:35:12 PM PST
by
Cedric
To: GodGunsGuts
This poll measures something that is not controversial. It's not surprising that most people want different scientific evidence discussed in the science classroom.
To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
It should include teaching enough about ID, so that students can say why it isnt a scientific theory.I think the poll referred only to teaching scientific evidence. That leaves out ID.
To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
It should include teaching enough about ID, so that students can say why it isnt a scientific theory. You really want them to teach that God may be dead?
To: Cedric; mlo
Wow, you guys are gutless. I actually think that TOE should be compared to Creationism and Lamarkian selection in biology classes. Teaching why those systems (Creationism and Lamarkian Selection) are wrong is very educational and actually might help students understand Evolution better.
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:39:59 PM PST
by
LeGrande
(I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
To: tacticalogic
You've got no evidence, none of the promised (for 150 years) confirmatory fossils, you employ astonishingly sophomoric circular reasoning and your fascists, yet you want opponents to be civil?
You're a hoot.
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:41:06 PM PST
by
Cedric
To: mlo
==Trying to pick holes in evolution doesnt make creationism a science.
True enough. But if those wholes are being picked based on the hypothesis that the biblical account of creation and the noaitic flood are true, then it’s science. For instance: creationists predict that the earth is young, they predict not a tree of life, but an orchard of trees with no transitionals outside the bounds of the biblical kinds; they predict evidence of a global flood, etc, etc. They are forming hypothesis, and they are testing the same using the scientific method. That’s science.
To: LeGrande
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:41:56 PM PST
by
Cedric
To: Cedric
"Correct. Facts and evidence do. And there are plenty of both. Let them be heard!" And if I asked you about some of them what I'd get is a bunch of reasons why evolution must be wrong. Like I said, trying to knock down one theory doesn't build a different one.
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:42:34 PM PST
by
mlo
To: Cedric
You've got no evidence, none of the promised (for 150 years) confirmatory fossils, you employ astonishingly sophomoric circular reasoning and your fascists, yet you want opponents to be civil? Is that the argument you intend to bring into the classroom under the premise of presenting scientific evidence?
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:44:12 PM PST
by
tacticalogic
("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
To: mlo
I’m not opposed to destroying the flimsy myth of evolution, first, if that’s where you want to start.
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:45:09 PM PST
by
Cedric
To: GodGunsGuts
In our home school I teach my kids what evolution is, often using the evolution scientist’s own writings, so that they have an antithesis to our thesis that creation science is correct.
Having been raised to believe in evolution I have no qualms discussing its main teachings as well as contrasting it to the creationist view.
Evolutionists, in general, do not seem to share the same confidence and refuse to even mention the main creation science teachings, even if only critically.
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:45:55 PM PST
by
Marie2
(Ora et labora)
To: tacticalogic
The burden of proof is on the evos. And they've been found wanting.
{and wanton}
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:47:02 PM PST
by
Cedric
To: Cedric
The burden of proof is on the evos. And they've been found wanting. {and wanton} If the burden is on them, they're the only one's with any business in the classroom.
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:48:10 PM PST
by
tacticalogic
("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
To: GodGunsGuts
I wish they would ask if people favor/oppose school vouchers in this kind of poll. It kind of seems like the question of what we indoctrinate kids with skips over the question of if we should be indoctrinating kids in school to begin with. I think the ultimate answer to the evolution/id debate (as well as a ton of others) should be left up to the market and parents rather then a bunch of pointy headed educrats.
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:48:17 PM PST
by
cmonkey
To: ColdWater
I don't follow? In what way does what I said imply teaching that God may be dead?
BTW, I have deep respect for the scientific method — but, I also know that it can never reveal all truths in the universe. I also know that all science should be treated as “provisional facts”. (One should say: “not yet disproven”, rather than “proven”.)
To: Marie2
Just because a majority of the sheeple think that a fairy tale should be taught in science class doesn't make it right.
Keep your bibles in theology class, please.
There, I said it. This is the main issue (actually the only at this point) issue that divides me from Xians.
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:49:06 PM PST
by
Clemenza
(Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
To: tacticalogic
They’ve had a century and a half.
Time’s up.
Bring on ID.
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posted on
02/19/2009 4:49:39 PM PST
by
Cedric
To: Marie2
Evolutionists, in general, do not seem to share the same confidence and refuse to even mention the main creation science teachings, even if only critically.
Interestingly, chemistry teachers also usually fail to mention alchemy and geologists have also discarded the flat earth notion. Am I to understand you have a problem with this as well?
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