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Snowe: My Party Has Changed
AsMaineGoes.com ^ | February 15, 2009 | Scott Fish

Posted on 02/16/2009 5:12:51 AM PST by bogeybob

The Senior Senator from Maine.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: 111th; olympiasnow; rinos; snowe
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To: fieldmarshaldj

He was a conservative with broad appeal...he would have taken a RINO over a Dem anytime.


221 posted on 02/16/2009 1:09:16 PM PST by nyconse
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To: nyconse

I don’t recall him saying that or I’d have not endorsed him. He’s been a terrible, despicable RINO Governor, and his ass-kissing of the False Messiah in support of Porkulus showed who he is really working for. As for giving felons the vote, sorry, I will never support that. Commit a serious crime, and you should forfeit your right to participate in elections, period.


222 posted on 02/16/2009 1:10:59 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: nyconse

If the GOP consistently starts acting Conservative, they might start to get $$ again. Opposing Porkulus was a good start, but where was the massive opposition to the False Messiah’s Cabinet of Thieves, Traitors and Tax Cheats ?


223 posted on 02/16/2009 1:12:33 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: nyconse
No, some people voted for Reagan in spite of the fact he was conservative because they liked him personally.

When I was working with the Reagan campaign back in '80 in my area I had huge numbers of voters tell me exactly what you said. The issue of conservative vs. liberal didn't even get mentioned. People said they liked Reagan better as a candidate and thought he would be a better President and do a better job than Carter. He was a candidate with personal appeal who connected with voters on a non-ideological level. It built a winning coalition that enabled us to elect a conservative President and a 'Pub Senate. If we're smart we'll learn from history and use that election as a guide for winning again.

224 posted on 02/16/2009 1:15:11 PM PST by chimera
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To: nyconse

I said there was fraud, we’ll never know how much. Brunner is a criminal and was willing to engage in whatever needed to be done to aid and abet voter fraud (right down to stealing the Columbus-based House seat, despite the fact the Republican received more votes until she “found” enough to steal it away). I’ll also state, too, that the False Messiah didn’t “win big time.” He got all of 74,000 more votes than Dubya did in 2004, and that, again, in a race with massive voter fraud by ACORN. Not an impressive win, but pretty impressive fraud.


225 posted on 02/16/2009 1:16:41 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: nyconse

Generics recently released had a near-tie between the parties (enough so that Michael Barone said we could probably reclaim all the seats we lost in ‘06 &
08). Fine and dandy, but we’re not a parliamentary system, and we have to recruit good candidates and fund them, and lastly, the elections ain’t for another 20 1/2 months.


226 posted on 02/16/2009 1:18:51 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: nyconse

Historical trends indicate we should reclaim the PA Governorship (indeed, were Fast Eddie Rendell to accept an appointment from the False Messiah, the Governorship goes to the GOP Lt Governor) in 2010, and I think we’ve got a decent enough shot at keeping Specter’s seat with another good candidate. PA is not nearly as Democrat-leaning as you’d think. They may vote Democrat for President (based mostly on the voting exclusively in Philly and the rich liberal suburbs and Pittsburgh), but the bulk of the state in between is very Republican/Conservative. There was massive voter fraud in those Democrat areas in past elections, including this one (although in ‘04, it clearly was stolen from Dubya, I couldn’t make that claim in ‘08, even with the jaw-dropping obvious fraud and ginned-up turnout in Philly, despite the fact that the population is declining, and it is usually statistically impossible for votes to go up while the population goes down).

A lot of people warned McCain ahead of the election to focus more on OH than PA, because the fraud was going to be very formidable to overcome in the latter.


227 posted on 02/16/2009 1:27:00 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Brunner is a criminal and was willing to engage in whatever needed to be done to aid and abet voter fraud (right down to stealing the Columbus-based House seat, despite the fact the Republican received more votes until she “found” enough to steal it away).

Everyone here needs to remember that Jennifer Brunner and that asswipe in MN helping steal the seat for Frankenputz are products of the MoveOn.org-related, Soros-related, ACORN-related Secretary of State Project. The 'Rats knew that the key to "winning" close elections was controlling the electoral machinery. The 'Pubs need to take a cue from this and hit all of those statewide contests hard, because you never know when they might make a difference, having fraud or integrity in control.

228 posted on 02/16/2009 1:27:53 PM PST by chimera
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To: nyconse

Guess you’ve never heard of either George Christopher or Ed King. Christopher was the leftist RINO establishment nominee the CA GOP preferred to Reagan for Governor in 1966 and Ed King was the DINO Governor of MA who was highly regarded by Reagan in the early ‘80s, the last Conservative Governor the state has had.


229 posted on 02/16/2009 1:29:27 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: chimera

As far as Brunner and the OH Democrats were concerned, this was “payback” for their moonbat conspiracy notion that then-Sec of State Ken Blackwell “stole” Ohio for Dubya in 2004 (which of course, was total bull$hit). Blackwell, had he still been Sec of State in ‘08, would’ve gone after the ACORN/Soros voter fraud on behalf of the Democrats without mercy.

As for MN, at least that fraud hasn’t been fully accomplished, yet. Coleman is still fighting back (but my concern are the judges, there are still too many willing to steal offices on behalf of Dems). I’m a lot more concerned that if the Dems continue to openly steal offices, making a mockery of Republican Democracy, they’re going to push our country in a direction they’re not going to like. Because law-abiding citizens can only take so much.


230 posted on 02/16/2009 1:33:59 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: nyconse
Most people here would prefer a democrat over many of our current republicans... though, I'm not certain why Collins, Snowe and Specter call themselves republican.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1878942,00.html

231 posted on 02/16/2009 2:26:49 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Guess who is polling the strongest in Florida to replace Martinez? Crist! and NO I don’t like Crist even a little bit, but the democrat he likely will oppose is being supported by the SEIU. Now, YOU tell me who is the best of the two candidates for the residents of Florida to choose from. Politics is local, not national and we have to come to grips with that fact.


232 posted on 02/16/2009 2:31:10 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: nyconse

I’m trying to figure out what the Indiana GOP has against Dan Burton and why they prefer the four candidates who have declared against him already for the primary.


233 posted on 02/16/2009 2:32:54 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: nyconse
There is another aspect to the GOP losses not discussed...competence. The GOP is seen as incompetent by many right now. Even many in the GOP did not think Pres. Bush did a good job...this has rubbed off on the Republican party.

I have a feeling what we'll see is what we've seen in the past couple of election cycles. Most people on the 'Pub/conservative side will support our candidate, some albeit reluctantly, but in the end they will get those votes.

We'll lose the middle ground and independents (who generally decide the overall race) if our candidate is seen as one-dimensional and/or a caricature conservative ideologue. Reagan and Nixon were able to avoid that and present either an appealing image or reasonable alternative and won big victories. Goldwater was not able to escape that image and was clobbered, TrueconservativeTM though he was.

The party has to recruit solid candidates who will hold the base and be attractive to a range of voters and, yes, be perceived as competent. We need to win back voters in swing states like OH, and recapture our former strength in places like FL and NC. We can do it, but not by fighting each other instead of the 'Rats.

234 posted on 02/16/2009 2:34:43 PM PST by chimera
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To: nyconse; PhiKapMom

The fraud in Ohio was massive. It was substantial in some of the states McCain actually won — like Oklahoma. Do not underestimate the fraud we had to deal with, this is why George Soros is funding his own personal SoS plan to turn the SoS in every state to a democrat — where the SoS is beholden to Soros they stand a high chance of winning with ACORN’s help.


235 posted on 02/16/2009 2:35:04 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I guarantee you not one person here would have said that the first time he ran for President with his record of having signed the first abortion bill in the country. He regreted the signing of that bill, but no matter Freepers WOULD have held that against him and pushed another candidate.


236 posted on 02/16/2009 2:36:28 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Crist makes Martinez look like Jesse Helms. I wouldn’t support him for dogcatcher. We already know how he’d vote on Porkulus, and even Martinez is not that insane.


237 posted on 02/16/2009 2:42:32 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
what the Indiana GOP has against Dan Burton

He's a womanizer, he doesn't show up to vote, his family is on his campaign's payroll, and he's been involved in some "issues" relating to gifts from lobbyists. The Indiana GOP would rather have someone without his baggage.

238 posted on 02/16/2009 2:44:24 PM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I love Burton, but he has a problem that goes beyond ideology, and it is that he apparently has a relatively high absentee rate with respect to voting. After nearly 3 decades in Congress, he’s probably grown tired of the crap. I don’t blame him, but we can’t have our people missing votes (unless they’re voting rodent, in which case, they can miss as many as possible).


239 posted on 02/16/2009 2:45:27 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Publius Valerius

Well, according to The Hill, they are going for it bigtime this year.


240 posted on 02/16/2009 2:45:44 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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