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Why Sustainable Power Is Unsustainable [solar cells need unrenewable sources]
Slashdot ^ | 2/7/9 | timothy

Posted on 02/15/2009 8:24:17 AM PST by Clint Williams

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1 posted on 02/15/2009 8:24:17 AM PST by Clint Williams
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To: Clint Williams
"Although scientists are agreed that we must cut carbon emissions from transport and electricity generation to prevent the globe's climate becoming hotter"

Only those trying to cash in on the latest junk science. LOL

2 posted on 02/15/2009 8:29:46 AM PST by WHBates
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To: WHBates

Liberalism loves junk science.


3 posted on 02/15/2009 8:31:08 AM PST by omega4179 (1.20.13 end of an error , a big one.)
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To: Clint Williams; FrPR; enough_idiocy; Desdemona; rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

4 posted on 02/15/2009 8:31:54 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Hope + Change = PORKULU$)
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To: Clint Williams
From the article:
The efficiency of solar cells is measured as a percentage of light energy they convert to electricity. Silicon solar cells finally reached 25% in late December. But multi-junction solar cells can achieve efficiencies greater than 40%.

Although touted as the future of solar power, those and most other multiple-junction cells owe their performance to the rare metal indium, which is far from abundant. There are fewer than 10 indium-containing minerals, and none present in significant deposits – in total the metal accounts for a paltry 0.25 parts per million of the Earth's crust.

Most of the rare and expensive element is used to manufacture LCD screens, an industry that has driven indium prices to $1000 per kilogram in recent years. Estimates that did not factor in an explosion in indium-containing solar panels reckon we have only a 10 year supply of it left.

If power from the Sun is to become a major source of electricity, solar panels would have to cover huge areas, making an alternative to indium essential.

Ouch.
5 posted on 02/15/2009 8:32:43 AM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5(SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|TaglineSpaceForRent)
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To: Clint Williams

Now *there’s* a source I’ve rarely seen posted on FR. :)


6 posted on 02/15/2009 8:37:04 AM PST by DGHoodini ( from what I hear, all he did was regurgitate)
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To: omega4179
"Liberalism loves junk science."

And, that's because liberalism embraces "feel-goodism." Tell a bunch of know-nothings that salvation is already available and they'll believe you every time.

In all of the discussions I've heard of "solar panels" and solar energy, I don't recall hearing of the equipment required to support this effort. For example, and to be brief, you don't simply plug-in to solar panels and you're good to go. That DC energy coming off the panels must be converted to 117 and 220 volt alternating current and, in addition, a means of storing that energy must be provided. This makes the solar energy thing viable for 24 hour per day use. Simply put, there is no sunlight during dark hours and, in addition, solar panels produce little or no DC voltage/current on cloudy days.

7 posted on 02/15/2009 8:38:39 AM PST by davisfh ( Islam is a very serious mental illness)
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To: sionnsar
Indium is mined as a byproduct of zinc and lead mining and about 40% of the world supply comes from China. We produce virtually none of it in the US.

Under the circumstances I'm not sure it's wise to rely on it for making our power supply function.

8 posted on 02/15/2009 8:38:47 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Clint Williams

I agree, and I have a 50KW solar installation on line...


9 posted on 02/15/2009 8:38:59 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: sionnsar
we have only a 10 year supply of it left.

well...
It is a fission byproduct

http://ie.lbl.gov/toi/nuclide.asp?iZA=490115
10 posted on 02/15/2009 8:39:50 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: WHBates
Get ready for the energy and climate change demagoguery
11 posted on 02/15/2009 8:39:55 AM PST by Hythloday
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To: Clint Williams

Solar ane wind power are jokes!

Until they go NUCLEAR, they are NOT SERIOUS about “CLEAN ENERGY”.


12 posted on 02/15/2009 8:40:18 AM PST by G Larry (Obama care means dying in line!)
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To: G Larry

100% correct. Nuclear is the only realistic, sustainable, reliable and safe option for baselaod generation. SOlar and wind are fine as mid-merit and supplemental resources but cannot deliver economically or geogpraphically.


13 posted on 02/15/2009 8:43:43 AM PST by Hythloday
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To: Hythloday
"...Nuclear is the only realistic, sustainable, reliable and safe option for baselaod generation. SOlar and wind are fine as mid-merit and supplemental resources but cannot deliver economically or geogpraphically."

Liberal reading the above and thinking to himself, "I don't get it. What that got to do with anything?

14 posted on 02/15/2009 9:03:55 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: davisfh

That DC energy coming off the panels must be converted to 117 and 220 volt alternating current

Not necessarily. That is done through an inverter and is not efficient. It is far more efficient to store DC for Use in DC appliances than it is to store DC for running an inverter which then powers AC appliances. How does one store AC current? Generally one stores DC current for use when the sun is not shining.


15 posted on 02/15/2009 9:04:44 AM PST by wita
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To: Clint Williams
I never read where anyone said solar cells were the answer to renewable energy.

Do you have a link??

16 posted on 02/15/2009 9:15:45 AM PST by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: omega4179

Math is Hard!


17 posted on 02/15/2009 9:16:05 AM PST by Clock King (Radical Conservatives, arise!)
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To: yankeedame
I wonder what the argument will be from the climate change knuckleheads when the lights go out because we were duped into using “alternative” and “clean” resources as the means to supply all of our power?
18 posted on 02/15/2009 9:16:52 AM PST by Hythloday
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To: org.whodat

Whetther it is the answer or not, I think it is a better option than wind but only as a supplemental resource. Now that I read about this issue of the lack of supply of this critical element, I wonder whether it is no better than wind.


19 posted on 02/15/2009 9:20:27 AM PST by Hythloday
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To: hinckley buzzard
Since Indium is used to make solder, I guess the computer industry and air conditioning and all electrical products are finished as well. WE are doomed, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
20 posted on 02/15/2009 9:21:12 AM PST by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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