Posted on 02/15/2009 5:04:01 AM PST by kellynla
Edited on 02/15/2009 5:31:31 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
LOS ANGELES - The doctor who helped Nadya Suleman get pregnant with octuplets has reportedly transferred at least seven embryos to another patient.
According to the Los Angeles Times , a woman in her late 40s went to Dr. Michael Kamrava hoping to become pregnant with one baby.
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It's the whack jobs like this doctor and Octopussy mom that ruin it for those who are sincere and want to have a family.
Who can say that Ms. Suleman isn't "sincere" in her desire to "have a family"? Who can rule that her version of "a family" is less legitimate than that of any other single woman who seeks artificial reproductive technology? I would be calling this "sarcasm," but it's the basic premise of an unregulated reproduction industry. The desires of the customer are the only consideration - not common sense, not public finance, not the interests of the children.
I'm sorry about your endometriosis. I have friends who suffer from that condition, and I understand it's very unpleasant.
Yes, God does work in wonderful ways and has blessed many with children after being told it was impossible. But, many other couples have become parents through IVF when all other hope was lost. That, too, is a blessing. Just ask those families. I suspect there are quite a few families here on FR who have children via IVF. And I bet most are being silent because of the comments being made by some.
I know there are some. And I know that many take any discussion of the morality or social effect of IVF as a personal attack. That's sad, but it should not make discussion of a major topic that, like it or not, affects us all, off-limits.
One must distinguish between ends and means.
On a hopeful note, there ARE legitimate therapeutic advances which can often make natural procreation possible for previously-infertile couples. To manetion just a few:
Any procedure which heals the underlyng causes of disability, and assists marital intercourse in reaching its procreative potential, is morally good, and usually much preferred by the couples themselves.
You line of reasoning pretty much negates all medical advances that produce an outcome ‘inconsistent’ with your view of God’s plan, including those that save lives.
That should be ‘your’. Sorry, not enough coffee yet.
Oh I agree. Imagine how I feel when freepers tell me I should just keep popping out babies so my endo doesn’t get bad. Or that BCPs are evil and because I take them to control my endo, I’m burning in hell. Its that rhetoric, in my opinion, that ruins all rational discussion. And yes, endo does suck. :( Ironically, after my recent surgery, my previously blocked tubes are now clear. God is great! Does help having a good doctor too.
I'd love to discuss this, but it's hard to either clarify it or dispute it unless you get more specific. If you will, please give some examples, and then we can fruitfully resume the discussion.
Your list... when all those factors don't work, and a couple still wants to have a child, you're saying IVf is wrong? So, by that reasoning, if someone who has heart disease does a complete lifestyle change and yet is told they need a heart transplant, they should rejected?
Did in reply above.
Is this one a muslim too?
"So, by that reasoning, if someone who has heart disease does a complete lifestyle change and yet is told they need a heart transplant, they should rejected?"
No, not at all. I don't know of any moral objection to a heart transplant, assuming that the proper ethical safeguards are in place with respect to the donor.
In the same way, I wouldn't have any objection to a uterine transplant, assuming it were possible and needed to restore successful natural procreation via marital intercourse.
My first hand experience with GIFT and risks comes from an endo support group/forum where women who are looking for help conceiving have been told because of their condition, it is not recommended. Many women who have PCOS are also warned against GIFT. Then again, like any treatment, I'm sure other doctors have no issue with the risks. I know after my initial diagnosis at age 33, my doctor gave me a harsh but real idea of how difficult it would be to conceive naturally. He told me all the options, including GIFT, but said it is not recommended for women with endo.
Becoming knowledgeable about my own reproductive issues has been a huge revelation to many things: procedures, options, etc. The one very surprising thing is that at least half of my girlfriends have had or are having fertility issues. To me, that's what needs to be researched... why are women becoming increasingly infertile?
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The question you raise about the dramatic increase in fertility problems is a very interesting one. My own guesses (but you would probably have better guesses than I do) would be (1)More women delaying first childbirth until their 30's or 40's, when the physiologically optimum time for first childbirth would be in the late teens-early 20's; and (2) Damage to reproductive processes from previous contraceptive choices, abortion, or impact of STD's.
There are probably also environmental factors affecting both males and females, such as hormonal disruption due to xenoestrogenic chemicals and so forth. This is known to cause much lower sperm counts in males, probably disrupts female hormonal balance as well.
I suspect that I myself had a disrupted balance (too-high estrogen, not-high-enough progesterone) which factored into two heartbreaking early miscarriages.
After my first-and-only successful childbirth followed by the miscarriages, my husband and I -- being by then in our early 40's ---ended up adding to our family via adoption.
What are your thoughts on this?
As for me, in hindsight, I wish I had been more focused on family and marriage in my early 20s. But, hindsight is 20-20. Of course, I hope to marry and have children still. The problem with my personal fertility issues is that my endo was so bad (severe for over 20 years at time of diagnosis, which means it started when I was 13), my age would not have made a difference- conception would still have been extremely difficult.
I just don’t see the decline-in-fertility thing, personally.
Yes - that’s what it is. Outbreeding us.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2186238/posts
Post #16.
I would also argue that social-economic status also is a factor in infertility. But that’s a theory of mine.
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