For all the whining about how creationists are making the conservative movement look bad, it doesn't help when you spread lies about creationists.
It's liberals who are on a mission to make creationists look bad to turn people away from conservatism and creationism by misrepresenting them to the general public.
One doesn't have to be a creationist to believe in UFO's and I've never met anyone who really believes in geocentrism (solar system model) or that Jesus rode on a dinosaur.
As far as the HIV/AIDS connection, the guy that started the *HIV-AIDS* denial is one of the foremost microbiologists of our time- a scientist. Imagine that. Unsupportable beliefs? What a crock.
The only unsupportable belief is that creationists *invariably* believe stuff like that. Some stats would be nice. Do you have any to support your misrepresentations of creationists?
==I have long maintained that if you look at the belief set of creationists they will almost invariably also believe in many other equally unsupportable beliefs (UFO’s, Geocentricism, HIV-AIDS denial, Jesus rode on a dinosaur, etc, etc).
Actually, a poll published in late 2008 demonstrates that conservative, traditionalist Christians (the majority of whom believe in young earth creationism) are the least likely to believe in UFO’s, bigfoot, the paranormal and the ocult. For instance, the Gallop Organization asked Americans the following questions:
“Do dreams foretell the future? Did ancient advanced civilizations such as Atlantis exist? Can places be haunted? Is it possible to communicate with the dead? Will creatures like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster someday be discovered by science?”
31% of the people who NEVER worship expressed a strong belief in these things, whereas only 8% of those who worship MORE than once per week expressed a strong belief in the same.
The Wall Street Journal wrote an article on the study and concluded that:
“Surprisingly, while increased church attendance and membership in a conservative denomination has a powerful negative effect on paranormal beliefs, higher education doesn’t. Two years ago two professors published another study in Skeptical Inquirer showing that, while less than one-quarter of college freshmen surveyed expressed a general belief in such superstitions as ghosts, psychic healing, haunted houses, demonic possession, clairvoyance and witches, the figure jumped to 31% of college seniors and 34% of graduate students.”
Indeed, the article goes on: “a 1980 study published in the magazine Skeptical Inquirer that showed irreligious college students to be by far the most likely to embrace paranormal beliefs, while born-again Christian college students were the least likely.”
Needless to say, the vast majority of those born again Christian college students are young earth creationists.
The Wall Street Journal article concludes:
Anti-religionists such as Mr. Maher bring to mind the assertion of G.K. Chesterton’s Father Brown character that all atheists, secularists, humanists and rationalists are susceptible to superstition: “It’s the first effect of not believing in God that you lose your common sense, and can’t see things as they are.”
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB122178219865054585-lMyQjAxMDI4MjIxMDcyODAyWj.html
[[For all the whining about how creationists are making the conservative movement look bad, it doesn’t help when you spread lies about creationists.]]
He/She knows that- they don’t care though- it’s hypocrisy times 1000- but it’s al lthey got really
[[It’s liberals who are on a mission to make creationists look bad to turn people away from conservatism and creationism by misrepresenting them to the general public.]]
Again, it’s all they got- they know hteir hypothesius is in big big trouble, so hteir only recourse is to attack those that bring hte info that exposes the problems with the hypothesis
[[The only unsupportable belief is that creationists *invariably* believe stuff like that. Some stats would be nice. Do you have any to support your misrepresentations of creationists?]]
nope- He/she doesn’t- All they have are petty pat accusaitons picked up fro mwebsites like Talkorigins, or Evc-forums, or Darwin central- hte same websites that claim Christians, Creationists and ID proponents are ‘anti-science’- Those types of arguments are apparently what passes for science over on htose forums. Oh yeah- Fogot hte best one- they call us ‘Creatards’ over htere- as htough somehow childish insults prop up their failing hypothesis of macroevolution.
When htey can’t win with hte facts, they win through intimidation, ridicule, and snobbish self-deciet disguised as ‘real science’
metmom: The only unsupportable belief is that creationists *invariably* believe stuff like that. Some stats would be nice. Do you have any to support your misrepresentations of creationists?
Me too, allmendream. Like metmom, I would like to know where you get some of this stuff. You say, “almost invariably.” I suppose that means “nearly always.” I don’t know anyone who thinks Christ ever rode a dinosaur (there’s no Biblical support to indicate He rode anything except an ass). I don’t know anyone who thinks the sun revolves around the earth. I don’t know anything more about HIV/AIDS than what metmom has reported to you. Except, I do remember a time when AIDS was called GRIDS and scientists were unable to definitively declare that AIDS/GRIDS could not be spread by mosquitoes (for some reason I felt no concern, so I patiently waited for the day when scientists would know more, but I never saw the day when I didn’t feel I was being fed more lies than facts – and not by ‘Creationists’). I don’t know anyone who has seen a UFO (I saw a UFO once, but I’m pretty sure it was a meteorite and I never lost sleep over the incident).
You profess to be a Christian. World wide, there are something like two billion Christians. By definition, every one of them is a ‘Creationist.” I don’t know of any Christian who does not, as an article of faith, believe that God created the universe (the heavens and the earth). Do you? Has anyone ever done a representative sampling of these give or take two billion Christians, and in that sampling queried them on Christ riding a dinosaur, UFOs, Geocentricism, HIV/AIDS, or any of your other etc, etc?