Posted on 02/13/2009 6:59:34 AM PST by TornadoAlley3
I came back to this thread tonight to see what FReepers had to say about the Brown vote for the PORKULUS bill. Instead I ran into some of my friends, my allies in all this mess fighting with each other.
Folks, we need to put aside our differences, focus on our goals and pull together.
Let’s have some sensitivity for each other, overlook our differences, quit sniping at each other and realize we have much more in common that we have separating us.
Seriously, do we need to go at each other here? I mean some of the topics I’ve seen fought about here are just crazy, and unrelated to this topic at all.
Kiss and make up, and let’s get back on track.
**probably the worst bill that has been put forward since the 1930s.”**
There are several things that could get this challenged in court.
1 — They didn’t allow enough time for the entire reading of the bill.
2 — Thus, reps voted without knowing what they were voting for or against, for that matter.
3 — Wasn’t stuff put back into it by the House — that the Senate had removed?
I think a lot of these things will be challenged in court and will be proven not constistutional and thus un-enactable.
Hehehe!
I really really dislike Moyers, but gotta admit he strikes an accurate cord here.:
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BILL MOYERS: Why wouldn’t they believe that? I mean, when I watched the eight CEOs testify before Congress at the House Financial Services Committee earlier this week, I had just finished reading a report that almost every member of that Committee had received contributions from those banks last year.
I mean in a way that’s like paying the cop on the beat not to arrest you, right?
SIMON JOHNSON: I called up one of my friends on Capitol Hill after that testimony, and that session. I said, “What happened? This was your moment. Why did they pull their punches like that?” And my friend said, “They, the Committee members, know the bankers too well.”
BILL MOYERS: Last year, the securities and investment industry made $146 million in campaign contributions. Commercial banks, another $34 million. I mean, American taxpayers don’t have a flea’s chance on a dog like that, do they?
SIMON JOHNSON: It a massive problem, obviously. And I do think, though, the good news there are people in the White House - I think the president himself, is aware of this broader issue. And, obviously, the campaign, the Obama campaign was very good at getting small contributions, and trying to minimize the impact of major donors like that.
But, at the same time, these people are throughout the system of government. They are very much at the forefront of the Treasury. The Treasury is apparently calling the shots on their economic policies.
This is a decisive moment. Either you break the power or we’re stuck for a long time with this arrangement.
SIMON JOHNSON: I have no problem with poachers turning gamekeeper, right? So if you know where the bodies are buried maybe you can help us sort out the problem. And I did think the first three or four minutes of what Mr. Geithner said were very good.
As a definition of a problem, and pointing the finger clearly at the bankers, and saying that the government had been slow to react, and, of course, that included himself. I liked that. And then he started to talk about the specifics. And he said, “The compensation caps we’ve put in place, for the executives of these banks, are strong.” And at that point I just fell out of my chair. That is not true. That is factually inaccurate, in my opinion.
BILL MOYERS: That?
SIMON JOHNSON: That this $500,000 limit, and deferred stock, is some kind of restriction on what they do? It’s deferred stock, Bill. It’s not restricted. You can get as much stock as you want, as soon as you pay back the government, you can cash out of that. That’s one.
Second, you can, sorry to get technical, but reset the strike price. This is something you and your and your viewers, you need to hear this one out. Just look for these words, okay, follow them through the press. When you get into trouble, when your company goes down, and you have massive amounts of stock options that aren’t worth much anymore, because the stock price has gone down, you say, “Oh, well, we’re going to reset our option prices.”
And, basically, it means that, at the end of the day, these people are going to walk away with tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars paid for by basically, insurance policy that you and I are providing.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02132009/watch.html
It is nice to know that there are still some naive people in the world. Keep believing.
Believe me, NP, I know who the enemy is....and it's not even Congresscritters.
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places." Ephesians 6
Believe me, NP, I know who the enemy is....and it's not even Congresscritters.
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places." Ephesians 6
“We are so screwed...”
Yes we are. My advice begins here. Research anarchist methodology and copy what you find online, before it gets scrubbed from the internet. There’s a lot we can do. A lot of it is actually fun, and very satisfying; as well as highly effective.
Search words: “anarchist cookbook” “civil disobedience” for starters.
Refer to my post #930.
oh they did. Check out this link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvnwOjDjnH4
Do you think that anyone cares?
Do you think that they really wanted anyone to have the time to look at it?
This was pushing Obama’s agenda down our throats, there is so much socialism lined and laced in this package that the pork is the VERY LEAST of our worries.
I myself find the medical portion the worst. Now your doctor will have to report your medical records to the government and they will decide what treatment is acceptable and cost effective for you.
Oh and by the way, if the cost does not offset your potential life expectancy then you will be denied for the good of the industry and nation.
Thanks for the link in 924.
I’d say this is an apt description of the
abyss the messiah has purposely created
for the USA:
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“It’s the military doctrine of lightning force — fast and brute, or as brute as the shaken country can manage — applied to the campaign for economic recovery.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090214/ap_on_go_pr_wh/stimulus_stakes
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I recommend these two threads.
They may come in very handy sooner than we know now. They’re loaded with worthwhile survival resources and helpful information and tips about frugality, makedo and protection.
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**Home gardening offers ways to trim grocery costs [Survival Today, an on going thread]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1990507/posts
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**Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2181392/posts
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We’d all benefit from any helpful information and tips you may have as the days and months of our stunning new world unfold.
Wouldn't that statement require omniscience, FRiend?
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