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To: Michael Michael
So unless you can show what immunities he had which would have made him subject to anything less than the complete jurisdiction of the United States, I don't see that you have an argument here.

Could he, BHO Sr, be drafted? Could he vote? Could he serve on a jury? Could he hold a job?

Except perhaps for the latter, and that with restrictions, the answer would be no. Permanent residents and citizens could be drafted, citzens can vote and serve on juries. Both can hold any job they can get.

517 posted on 02/17/2009 11:04:17 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Could he, BHO Sr, be drafted? Could he vote? Could he serve on a jury? Could he hold a job?

Those aren't immunities. They're exclusions.

You might as well argue that a twelve year old isn't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States because they can't get a driver's license. They can't register for Selective Service, vote, or sit on a jury either.

So will you argue that a twelve year old is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?


519 posted on 02/17/2009 11:22:19 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: El Gato

I’ve seen it posted that Obama never filled out a selective service form, or else did it very late. It occurred to me that if he were technically an Indonesian citizen residing here, he may not have been on the military’s list of whom to send letters to at the age of 18.


522 posted on 02/18/2009 12:48:30 AM PST by canaan
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To: El Gato
Could he, BHO Sr, be drafted? Could he vote? Could he serve on a jury? Could he hold a job?

Except perhaps for the latter, and that with restrictions, the answer would be no. Permanent residents and citizens could be drafted, citizens can vote and serve on juries. Both can hold any job they can get.

There are far too many holes in your statement for it to have any bearing on the subject at hand.

Women can't be drafted, yet the last I checked, we remain subject to the laws of the US. If not, I want that traffic ticket money back from several years ago. Many people with handicaps are exempt from the draft. All of them are subject to the laws of the United States. Quakers sometimes went so far as to exempt themselves from the draft, often with the assistance of understanding draft boards, but they remained citizens subject to US jurisdiction.

Prisoners and felons can't vote, depending on where they live, nor can children. All are subject to the laws of the US.

Some handicapped people, most children, and some elderly people cannot work, but are subject to the laws and jurisdiction of the United States.

Thus, a handicapped woman who committed armed robbery could not vote, work, or be drafted. If she lives in the US, she is still subject to our laws.

Finally, if what you say were true, any illegal alien would but have to scream "not it!" and be un-prosecutable. I assure you that in spite of John McCain's very best efforts in the field of Illegal Alien Apologetics, this is not the case.

524 posted on 02/18/2009 2:03:19 AM PST by mountainbunny
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