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The United States of Argentina
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| 2/9/2009
Posted on 02/10/2009 7:42:52 PM PST by AfterManyASummer
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Interesting article.
To: AfterManyASummer
Oh yeah!
I lived in that political cesspool, and, well, is not fun.
Coming to a country near 'us' unless we do something...
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posted on
02/10/2009 7:45:59 PM PST
by
elpinta
(Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself - M. Twain)
To: AfterManyASummer
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posted on
02/10/2009 7:56:36 PM PST
by
familyop
(As painful as the global laxative might be, maybe our "one world" needs a good cleaning.)
To: AfterManyASummer
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posted on
02/10/2009 7:56:36 PM PST
by
familyop
(As painful as the global laxative might be, maybe our "one world" needs a good cleaning.)
To: AfterManyASummer
Oops...sorry about the double.
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posted on
02/10/2009 7:56:56 PM PST
by
familyop
(As painful as the global laxative might be, maybe our "one world" needs a good cleaning.)
To: AfterManyASummer
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posted on
02/10/2009 8:03:49 PM PST
by
no-s
To: familyop
I've seen that thread before. God it was depressing.
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posted on
02/10/2009 8:24:32 PM PST
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
To: elpinta
There used to be regular posts on FR from a blog of aa Argentine guy giving advice, from personal experience, about how to survive in an economic meltdown. I’ll have to fire up the hard drive on my old PC and see if I’ve still got the URL. At the time I felt sorry for that guy, but now I wish I had paid more attention to what he had to say.
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posted on
02/10/2009 9:00:31 PM PST
by
VanShuyten
("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
To: AfterManyASummer
I was so sure the US was headed toward an Argentine future, I visited Argentina in 2005 to see for sure what it was like. I spent about two weeks total in BA and another two weeks making a big circuit down the coast and over to the Andes for a few hundred miles and then back to BA. In BA, you couldn't help seeing the tired and hopeless faces of those commuting on the buses and subways back and forth to a job that would never get them more than an apartment in their retirement. The middle class is gone. Those that survived it appears had property and were in debt up to their eyeballs when the currency collapse occurred in 2000. Property that was worth anything was sold in US dollars at Beverly Hills prices. Many wealthy elite from the US have vast real estate holdings in Argentina (Stallone, Turner, Madonna, etc.) that they bought on the cheap when this extended bank holiday occurred.
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posted on
02/10/2009 9:20:54 PM PST
by
Rockitz
(This isn't rocket science- follow the money and you'll find truth.)
To: familyop
Gosh....I was there this time last year - in Bariloche and Buenos Aires, and didn’t notice anything particularly negative - well other than the horrid poverty the immigrants live in. The people in BA seemed to take that poverty for granted calling it the normal life of a new immigrant. But other than that there wasn’t anything obviously negative - not like in Mexico where the beggars roam the beaches.
I loved Argentina.
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posted on
02/10/2009 9:29:12 PM PST
by
Aria
("An America that could elect Sarah Palin might still save itself." Vin Suprynowicz)
To: AfterManyASummer
Thanks! Very interesting!
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posted on
02/10/2009 9:53:53 PM PST
by
Aria
("An America that could elect Sarah Palin might still save itself." Vin Suprynowicz)
To: Aria
"
Gosh....I was there this time last year - in Bariloche and Buenos Aires, and didnt notice anything particularly negative..."
Did you drive from city to city with much open space between cities?
FerFAL's Argentina forum
I've seen some of the areas outside of tourist cities in Mexico and Central and South America. ...haven't been in Argentina, but the accounts from educated, once-middle-class citizens there are typical of areas outside of tourist cities in some of the other countries to our south.
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posted on
02/10/2009 10:04:20 PM PST
by
familyop
(As painful as the global laxative might be, maybe our "one world" needs a good cleaning.)
To: familyop
Fascinating. It seems to be almost too late to get started if you aren’t prepared for what’s coming.
To: Aria
Some of Argentina’s citizens collect paper (trash) in attempts to get enough to eat each night, if that Government program is still going on there.
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posted on
02/10/2009 10:06:25 PM PST
by
familyop
(As painful as the global laxative might be, maybe our "one world" needs a good cleaning.)
To: familyop
Actually we flew from Bariloche to BA - and on the way into BA I noticed some high rise building that looked like that housed very poor people. I also noticed that the newly arrived poor basically put mattresses under bridges - that was home.
I wanted to go to Mendoza but heard that it’s dangerous to make that drive.
But just being sort of a high end tourist we didn’t see much obviously wrong.
I really loved it there. Too bad that below the surface there is so much wrong.
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posted on
02/10/2009 10:15:04 PM PST
by
Aria
("An America that could elect Sarah Palin might still save itself." Vin Suprynowicz)
To: tvdog12345
"Fascinating. It seems to be almost too late to get started if you arent prepared for whats coming."
If you don't already have a place in a remote area, try to get a cheap lot with enough space for a house, to grow a large garden (or greenhouses) and raise a few animals. There are 35-acre lots for $19,000 in the West that didn't sell all last winter, but they are way off of the power grid and away from phone lines.
Having an attentive conversation with one of the government or business people of countries with squalor to the south of us can be an eye-opener. Ask them about the peasants, and watch their facial expression (or lack of) closely.
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posted on
02/10/2009 10:19:32 PM PST
by
familyop
(As painful as the global laxative might be, maybe our "one world" needs a good cleaning.)
To: AfterManyASummer
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posted on
02/11/2009 5:24:03 AM PST
by
Darwin Fish
(God invented evolution. Man invented religion.)
To: AfterManyASummer
California runs on particularly high taxes, uncontrollable deficits, and overregulation with a vastly swollen bureaucracy while the hegemonic power of organized labor prevents any reform. Does anyone really think the feds will let CA go under? Too big a state to fail, so our grandchilds money will bail them out. And MD, and and and...
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posted on
02/11/2009 5:25:59 AM PST
by
Darwin Fish
(God invented evolution. Man invented religion.)
To: tvdog12345
It seems to be almost too late to get started if you arent prepared for whats coming.Not too late. Wealth creation is not to be concerned with. Wealth preservation is more important. A box of 22's will be worth a fine meal fairly soon, IMHO.
We will find out soon that guys like Soros simply pulled the trigger, soon, while guys driven by personal faults, like Dodd and Frank, were "useful idiots" that were used. And should be hanged.
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posted on
02/11/2009 5:34:02 AM PST
by
Darwin Fish
(God invented evolution. Man invented religion.)
To: Aria; Rockitz
I really loved it there. Too bad that below the surface there is so much wrong. In 1998 and 1999, I made several trips to Argentina when the company I worked for was building two chemical plants in Bahia Blanca. I was managing all of the import/export issues and the logistics of getting the equipment and materials required to build these plants into the country.
I always had to spend a few days in BA meeting with our customs brokers and people at our offices there. I loved the place, but this was when the peso was still pegged to the dollar. Avenieda Florida was lively and cheerful, the tango places were very busy and every restaurant we went to seemed to be doing brisk business. I saw a few of the poverty-stricken there, but this was before things collapsed.
I hate to think of Argentina losing its middle class.
I hate even more to think that such a thing could happen to my own country.
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posted on
02/11/2009 5:36:27 AM PST
by
Allegra
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