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Stimulating Thoughts: CBO Warns Dem Bill would damage economy
Flopping Aces ^ | Monday, February 9th, 2009 at 3:41 pm | Mike's America

Posted on 02/09/2009 9:41:12 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Plus: Someone ask Pelosi what the U.S. population is. Krauthammer and more….

The Senate is poised on Tuesday to pass the most monstrous hogzilla spending bill of all time despite overwhelming public disapproval of the bill in it’s current form The latest Rasmussen Reports show 62% of respondents feel that the bill should include more tax cuts and less spending.

Unverified reports describe calls to Senate and House offices running 100 to 1 against the bill yet Obama and his House and Senate colleagues soldier on to ram this monster down the throats of the American people.

Reports like this don’t seem to bother them at all:

CBO: Obama stimulus harmful over long haul
Stephen Dinan
The Washington Times

February 4, 2009

President Obama’s economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.

CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing.


(Excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obama; porkfest; stimulus

1 posted on 02/09/2009 9:41:12 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It will harm the economy but it will help the Rats. Besides they can blame any negative results on the Republicans or say it didn’t go far enough.


2 posted on 02/09/2009 9:49:53 PM PST by Aria ("An America that could elect Sarah Palin might still save itself." Vin Suprynowicz)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If this was a Republican administration... oh what’s the point.


3 posted on 02/09/2009 10:11:42 PM PST by dr_who
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

100:1 against. Don’t expect me to pay for it. Take it out of their pensions. We had no representation.


4 posted on 02/09/2009 10:16:13 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It’s apparent Obama nor the Democrats in Congress are listening to opposing viewpoints. This monster has made it through the House and may well end up on the President’s desk, and it managed to grow some on the way.


5 posted on 02/09/2009 10:38:33 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Makes sense to me. During the run-up in home values many folks used home equity to buy a myriad of things from cars to businesses, and home improvements. This money was created by speculation and derived from 'thin air' yet provided 'stimulus' that carried us along for many years 'till the floor fell out.

To think the government will use money from the same source (thin air) to stimulate the economy suggests nothing has been learned from the recent past.

Problem is, this thin air cash has to be paid for by taxpayers later on with 'thick air' capital which could have had more productive uses than repaying a loan.

Noticeably missing from the first infusion of phoney money was inflation that could have crippled it's effect. House values went up, for sure, but wages didn't and not until gas became a haven for investors, most other essentials remained fairly stagnant. Homes began to price themselves out of the market while other assets remained anchored in market reality. Thus, the crash (or sudden correction).

Government infusion of thin air capital may not be so lucky. Areas targeted for infusion may be wage sensitive, causing them to rise quickly- creating a spiral in response. And, a wage increase spiral will have a more lasting inflationary effect than say, a housing boom, since there's less elasticity in price.

An inflated home may fall $200,000 in value in one year and people will see a buying opportunity. Inflated wages falling in value by one half to one third in any year simply isn't going to happen (absent a huge influx of workers of like skill, etc.)

Wage inflation (brought about by government infusion or manipulation) will drive up one component of the production function (labor) such that the others (commodities and physical plant) will have to decline in cost in order to justify the added cost for labor, otherwise, massive lay-offs will occur as businesses adjust to the market.

Unfortunately for King Kenyan, Bush II and Clinton I flooded the market with Federal Reserve Notes such that a rising tide ain't gonna rise no more. The pool is full and whatever ships were to be raised have already been raised.

The best the Kenyan King of the US can hope for are marginal improvements and he'd better be praying every night that oil stays below $100 a barrel (not to worry too much, most of the pressure has been let-out and commodities are no exception). He should concentrate on lowering commodity prices (fuel, food, energy (nuclear), etc.) and physical plant costs (taxes, insurance, healthcare, etc.).

The worst thing Mobutu Boy could do is toss a boulder into a small pond. This will have investors driving up the cost of essentials like fuel as they seek to protect their wealth from inflation rather than staying in longer term 'growth' investments. Imagine double digit unemployment and four dollar a gallon gas. Certainly would be "change".

6 posted on 02/09/2009 11:15:28 PM PST by budwiesest (King Barry could drag the Fed into Little Big Horn II - The Culmination of 200 + years.)
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To: All; Ernest_at_the_Beach

What does this have to do with “economic” stimulus? From my email from Concerned Women for America:

“The U.S. Senate is now considering a stimulus spending package totaling $1.1 trillion and it’s still growing. Along with the alarming financial implications of this measure and the funding of countless liberal pet projects, there is disturbing language in this bill that would promote religious discrimination. Mathew Staver, Founder of the Liberty Counsel and Dean of the Liberty University School of Law, says the bill now before Congress has language that could impact every church across the nation that rents public facilities for their worship services. Contact your Senators today by calling 202-224-3121. “


7 posted on 02/10/2009 12:12:56 AM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Aria
It will harm the economy but it will help the Rats.

Yes. Its purpose is to consolidate rat power.

We are so far down the road to serfdom that no one has bothered to challenge its constitutionality.

8 posted on 02/10/2009 4:23:57 AM PST by Jacquerie (More central planning is not the solution to the failure of central planning.)
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