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If it's faith-based, how is it maintaining separation of church and state?

And Obama says there is no God who condones taking the life of an innocent human being, yet he's all for funding abortions with our tax dollars.

I'm confused....

1 posted on 02/05/2009 7:56:14 AM PST by Lucky9teen
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To: Lucky9teen
will show no favoritism to any religious group

Well, that's good news!

Have they already chosen the Muslim who will lead the effort?

2 posted on 02/05/2009 7:58:03 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Lucky9teen
There is no God who condones taking the life of an innocent human being
What about the 72 virgins? Everyone knows Islam condones killing.
3 posted on 02/05/2009 8:00:28 AM PST by NowApproachingMidnight (Sell the left short this cycle.)
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To: Lucky9teen

‘No God who condones taking the life of an innocent human being’

Abortions aside, of course.

And Muslims aside. Altho I guess you are not innocent if you are a Christian or a Jew, so that lets them off the hook somewhat.

I suggest he fine-tune that preamble before the group gets established. It is hard enough to get the different Protestant denominations to agree on anything, let alone the world religions.

Good luck to ya, Mr. O. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. May it be mercifully soon.


4 posted on 02/05/2009 8:00:58 AM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: Lucky9teen

Jerimiah Wright would make a great director for this office........well, he has had Obama’a ear for 20 years.


5 posted on 02/05/2009 8:03:23 AM PST by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: Lucky9teen
"There is no religion whose central tenet is hate."

Except one.

"There is no God who condones taking the life of an innocent human being."

Except one.

7 posted on 02/05/2009 8:05:04 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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To: Lucky9teen

Faith in what? His faith is evidently in some god who condones the killing of innocents. He is walking the talk.


9 posted on 02/05/2009 8:06:49 AM PST by BigFinn (isa 32:8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.)
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To: Lucky9teen

This idiot knows the koran and hadith, right? Who the h*ll does he think he’s foolin??


12 posted on 02/05/2009 8:12:07 AM PST by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: Lucky9teen; Charles Henrickson

Sounds like The Right Rev. Fop needs work.

13 posted on 02/05/2009 8:21:07 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Lucky9teen
It could be 2 things:
O’s faith-based office= keep your enemies close to you ?

or

O’s faith-based office= a way to destroy faith Obama-oposition party and promote faith Obama-support party

take your pick.

15 posted on 02/05/2009 8:28:06 AM PST by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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“Obama’s advisers want to be certain tax dollars sent to the faith-based social service groups are used for secular purposes, such as feeding the hungry or housing the homeless, and not for religious evangelism.”

The great Carl Jung believed in the healing power of religion but Obama does not. Expect an exponential rise in alcoholism, child abuse, petty crime, felonies, and homeless drug addicts.

It seems like Obama will leave no damage undone. What a POS


16 posted on 02/05/2009 8:34:43 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Lucky9teen
In a world that grows smaller by the day...

Here we go....

17 posted on 02/05/2009 8:35:09 AM PST by exhaustedmomma (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should. Samuel Adams)
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To: Lucky9teen

Obama considers the unborn to be an ememy of pregnant women. Therefore, he doesn’t consider them “innocent”. Liberal insanity at its “best”.


18 posted on 02/05/2009 8:35:46 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Lucky9teen
"I had a father who was born a Muslim but became an atheist, grandparents who were non-practicing Methodists and Baptists, and a mother who was skeptical of organized religion,

...so God da**n America!

19 posted on 02/05/2009 8:40:54 AM PST by shiva
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To: Lucky9teen

uh-oh...this is not good. Here comes the assault against Christian churches (you know, those that preach “hatred”). Looks like he’s trying to see how much damage he can do in the briefest period of time. Something new pops up every day. Clearly in some ways obama was ready to hit the ground running.


20 posted on 02/05/2009 8:47:53 AM PST by ElayneJ
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To: Lucky9teen

What has Obama not yet done that isn’t communistic?
It seems n’er but sinks and depravity so far.


21 posted on 02/05/2009 8:52:57 AM PST by onedoug
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"WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama said Thursday he will establish a White House office of faith-based initiatives that will show no favoritism.... Addressing the National Prayer Breakfast, Obama spoke of how faith has often been a divisive tool, responsible for war and prejudice. But, he said, "there is no religion whose central tenet is hate. There is no God who condones taking the life of an innocent human being," and all religions teach people to love and care for one another. ----In personal terms, he talked about the role of faith in his life, from his Muslim-born father and a mother skeptical of organized religion to his own embrace of Christianity as a young man. "In a world that grows smaller by the day, perhaps we can begin to crowd out the destructive forces of zealotry and make room for the healing power of understanding,"


Does Obama refer to the destructive zealotry of Jeramiah Wright? Hell no, that bigotted zealot is Obama's very own spiritual adivsor, in his own words. Obama is no Christian, he is a fraud from the word go. He sat and worshipped in a 'church' that railed against the white man and Jews, and grotesquely misinterpreted the Bible into a tool of hate. What we see in Obama is a man who was, as he just related, raised by atheists, apostates of the Christian religion, skeptics of all religions, and muslims. Obama is a man whose personality was forged by the forces of an unstable family life, the sense of persecution by the caucasion half of his multi-racial heritage, (a blood line he seems to have rejected, as he calls himself a "black man"), religious indifferentism and abandonment. In other words, Obama is one very conflicted and angry man. His religious idiology reflects this, and it doesn't seem to leave a lot of room for the prosperity of Christianity in America, as I see it. Christianity is a prozelityzing religion spread by (the) Word; but this evangelization is what Obama sees as "the destructive force of zealotry".

What Obama is eloquently describing is the 'religion of man', humanism, intellectualism, (he calls it "the healing power of understanding"); and this false religion seeks only one thing, to destroy the Truth by mingling together all faiths, thereby diluting them all. Notice he delcared "there is no God who condones the destruction of innocent life", whereby he indicts himself before God because there is no man more pro-abortion than he is. He also seeks to bury the brutal truth about Islam, a 'religion' that commands its adherents to convert others by the sword, and to behead those who reject this conversion, with special attention to CHRISTIANS AND JEWS. It rather seems that "allah" does, after all, condone the killing of innocents.

Obama is the most dangerous man of our times, period. He will seek to overturn everything our nation was built upon, personal freedom, capitalism, even the rock of faith. And he will seek to do it from within, openly, overtly and boldly. Will Christians now respond to this dangerous man in a strong, unified way? Or will Obama succeed in destroying the fabric of the greatest nation in human history?

22 posted on 02/05/2009 8:53:48 AM PST by rangeryder (If a man says something in the woods, is he still wrong?)
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To: Lucky9teen
If it's faith-based, how is it maintaining separation of church and state?

Bingo.

23 posted on 02/05/2009 8:59:14 AM PST by bgill
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To: Lucky9teen

He’s just following the Saul Alinsky rule (in his book, Rules for Radicals) to “clothe everything you do in morality” because this is what most effectively fools the “middle class” into agreeing with what you want to do.

So, let me guess. He’s going to appoint Saul Alinsky-lover, Jim “Jesus was a community organizer” Wallis (of Sojourners’ Magazine) to head it up. (Click my screen name and click again on: “The religious left-who they are and what they believe”.)

Saul Alinsky Goes to Church

Faith-based community organizing is taking off-—with benefits for both community and church. by Helene Slessarev
Sojourners Magazine, March-April 2000 (Vol. 29, No. 2, pp. 22). Features.

http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&issue=Soj0003&article=000311)

The origins of community organizing are generally traced to the pioneering work of Saul Alinsky, who built the first community organizing effort in Chicago’s Back of the Yards neighborhood in the 1930s. Alinsky created the early community-based efforts by organizing existing groups into collective action around particular issues.

Today many communities are much less cohesive, so it is necessary to build relationships first and then take on issues that grow out of those stronger bonds. In poorer communities, churches are often experiencing the same loss of cohesiveness as they struggle to survive in an increasingly barren environment. Thus, organizing becomes a means for such congregations to reconnect with their own members and with the broader community around them.

Congregation-based community organizing is the fastest growing form of organizing in the country, according to Doug Lawson of the Catholic Campaign for Human Development (CCHD). “No one else approximates faith-based organizing,” he says. The only non-faith-based organization that has built comparable power is ACORN (Association of Communities Organized for Reform Now).

In 1999, CCHD funded 89 different faith-based community organizations. In all of the local networks, the majority of the member institutions are churches. In some cases, synagogues and mosques have also joined along with other nonreligious organizations, such as unions, hospitals, and other social service providers. In Chicago, the Metropolitan Alliance of Congregations recently brought together 2,000 people to celebrate the creation of a partnership with 10 banks that have agreed to provide up to $1 billion in loans for 13,000 families between now and 2005. The churches will recruit, nurture, and train these families in home ownership.

All community organizing begins with the premise that 1) the problems facing distressed communities do not result from a lack of effective solutions, but from a lack of power to implement these solutions; 2) that the only way for communities to build long-term power is by organizing people and money around a common vision; and 3) that a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly based indigenous leadership­not one or two charismatic leaders­can knit together the diverse interests of their local institutions.

A 1996 study done by Jeannie Appleman for the Discount Foundation documents the strength of local congregation-based organizing in empowering communities. Of the five faith-based organizing networks studied, she found that all won concrete improvements for their communities and all were able to sufficiently alter the local structures of power to influence resource allocation by effectively rewarding and punishing local elected officials and CEOs. Several of them were able to become a party to decisions on future resource allocations.

The earlier generation of community organizations focused on a single community and issue. Over time, however, it became clear that this approach did not build the power base needed to challenge larger institutions, including city and state governments or big corporations. For that reason faith-based community organizing now is carried out through large citywide or even metropolitan-wide networks. Rev. Dennis Jacobson, pastor of Incarnation Lutheran Church and a leader in MICAH (Milwaukee Innercity Congregations Allied in Hope), admits that Wisconsin’s governor writes off the organization, just as he writes off the inner city of Milwaukee. MICAH, which began as a network of 36 inner-city churches, is now expanding into Milwaukee’s suburbs. “We have to build a larger power base because a lot of issues that affect our communities are statewide issues,” says Jacobson.

MICAH used the Community Reinvestment Act as leverage to force 17 lending institutions to change their underwriting criteria for home and business loans. The result was $480 million in home and small business loans to 2,400 low- and moderate-income minority residents.

Churches that become engaged in community organizing are most often rooted in faith traditions that recognize that sin is not just personal, but social and economic as well. Thus, poverty is not simply the result of personal moral failure, but is also caused by the sins of the larger economic or social system. For example, the United Methodist Church’s Book of Discipline explicitly states, “we do not hold poor people morally responsible for their economic state.” Community organizing becomes a means by which churches can act against corporate sin. In several cases, higher church bodies have contributed funding.

BY ITS NATURE as a faith community, the church is a relational institution. Individual congregations often consist of members with extensive ties to each other by virtue of being part of a larger extended family, or families whose children attend the same schools, or people who have been in fellowship with each other for many years. For people who have been marginalized by mainstream society, the church is often the one institution offering them the space to freely develop their leadership abilities by serving as deacons, trustees, musicians, and teachers. This makes the church an excellent starting point for building a powerful community organization.

The Discount Foundation study concluded that having a membership based in community institutions, especially within congregations, had enabled the community organizing projects documented to establish themselves as stable and financially viable organizations, accountable to the communities in which the operate. Each organization has leveraged the social capital of congregations to achieve social change; provided a progressive alternative to the Religious Right; and built an organizational culture that fused religious language, symbols, and values with organizing principles of accountability and civic participation.

Chicago’s United Power for Action and Justice­a wide network of churches and local unions­spent months discussing the values on which their broad-based effort would be founded. In a region seriously divided by race, class, and geography, those discussions formed an organization that, remarkably, encompasses people from the city and suburbs, various religious denominations including Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and Muslims, and people from a variety of ethnic, racial, and economic backgrounds. The organization spent its first two years, including a founding meeting attended by more than 9,000 people, establishing common ground before it sought to define its agenda. Modern organizing is concerned with building these kinds of relationships, out of which emerge a commitment to civic engagement.

THE FIRST STAGES of organizing occur within the congregations themselves. Those members of a congregation interested in initiating an organizing effort reach out to other members of their church, listen to their concerns and hopes, and engage them more deeply in the life of the congregation. Then members reach out to neighbors of the congregation­knocking on doors and meeting one-on-one to ask people what they see as pressures affecting the quality of family and neighborhood life. Greg Galluzzo, head of the Gamaliel Foundation, one of the four national organizations that recruits paid organizers and trains community people in organizing, emphasizes the importance of these one-on-one meetings as the foundation for any organizing project. “If you understand the depth of our lack of community, you understand our lack of relationship building,” Galluzzo said. “We need one-on-ones because people don’t know each other.”

As a church becomes active in the broader issues of the community, new leaders emerge from within the congregation who become engaged not only in the broader organizing efforts, but in the life of the church itself. Pastors whose churches are involved in community organizing note how much better organized their own parish committees are, how much more eager lay people are to become involved and participate in church activities.

Bishop George McKinney, pastor of St. Stephen’s Church of God in Christ in San Diego, explains his commitment to community organizing by saying, “Because of the church’s involvement in addressing certain social and justice issues, we have been able to present God to many who would never have come to church. Thus, community-based organizing has been used by God as a tool of evangelism.”

Father Michael Jacques, whose church led the formation of All Congregations Together (ACT) in New Orleans, has seen new leadership emerge in his church “from people I never imagined.” ACT has successfully campaigned for increased accountability on the part of public officials­including the mayor, police department, and the board of education. In each case, ACT has influenced these officials to act upon a reform agenda that grew out of hundreds of one-on-one conversations conducted by members of their congregations. Father Jacques sees how participation in community organizing increases a sense of ownership in the church and pride in the community. “It restores those old time concepts of building relationships and looking out for each other.”

Getting Started

The four major national organizing networks are:

Industrial Areas Foundation, 220 W. Kinzei St., Fifth Floor, Chicago, IL 60610; (312) 245-9211

Gamaliel Foundation, 203 N. Wabash St., Suite 808, Chicago, IL 60601; (312) 357-2639
Pacific Institute for Community Organizations, 171 Santa Rosa Ave., Oakland, CA 94610; (510) 655-2801
Direct Action Resource Training, P.O. Box 370791, Miami, FL 33137; (305) 576-8020

The most comprehensive national clearinghouse for information and local contacts is:

Catholic Campaign for Human Development, 3211 Fourth St. NE, Washington, DC 20017-1194; (202) 541-3210

A group helping evangelicals to organize is: Hope Communities, 2444 Washington St., Denver, CO 80205; (303) 860-7747

Another source of information and consulting services is: Organize Training Center, 442-A Vicksburg, San Francisco, CA 94114; (415) 821-6180.

HELENE SLESSAREV is the director of urban studies and associate professor of political science at Wheaton College in Illinois. Her most recent book, The Betrayal of the Urban Poor (Temple University Press, 1997), examines the shortcomings of developing systemic policy solutions for urban poverty.

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24 posted on 02/05/2009 9:19:22 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Obama fully intends to tear down our Constitution. So no, I do not want Obama to succeed.)
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To: Lucky9teen

Oprah’s got to be his top pick.


25 posted on 02/05/2009 10:45:48 AM PST by polymuser (Bye, bye Miss American Pie.)
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To: Lucky9teen

Thank-you George Bush for creating a DIRECT AND LEGITIMATE PIPELINE TO ACORN !!
This is the “gift that keeps on giving!”

Lesson: Govt is everywhere and always the problem, NOT THE SOLUTION!!


27 posted on 02/05/2009 11:17:39 AM PST by noah (noah)
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