[Badeye]

‘You saw what took place in a war with an untrained unmotivated army using the export version of old Soviet tanks. It would have been a different different fight if those had been Russian troops. ‘

Really? What, the rounds fired wouldn’t penetrate at 3,000 yards with almost perfect accuracy, because of the troops inside the tanks?

My point, which you are circumventing with this viewpoint, is the M1A1 Abrams far exceeded the ‘think tank’ white papers written BEFORE the Gulf War, by levels of Magnitude.

You know this as well as I.

[Tallguy]

The “Think Tank” papers about the deficiencies of the M1 Tank were hopelessly out of date by 1991. The M1 was a ‘mature’ weapons system by then.

The Media was looking of a cautionary story back then. They didn’t care if the “consume by” date on the technical stuff was long expired.

[rmlew]

The T-72Ms were crippled versions built in Iraq, without newer armour and lacking the ability to fire the 9m119/AT-11 Sniper as the T-72Bs can. The T-72 has not been the high end Soviet/Russian tank since 1980. The T-80 is.
If a T-80 went against an M-60 Patton, which do you think would win?