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To: pobeda1945

I remember the ‘think tanks’ that claimed for fifteen years the M1A1 Abrams Main Battle Tank was ‘inferior’ to the T-72’s. They said effective kill ranges were less than 1,500 yards, yada yada yada.

Then we saw what took place in the first Gulf War, and afterwards duly noted 1)We had tank kills up to approaching 4,000 yards and 2) It was tougher at the training center against the Op For.

I don’t take this seriously as a result.


2 posted on 02/04/2009 8:42:16 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Badeye

Russian junk. This article is total BS.


9 posted on 02/04/2009 8:51:01 AM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: Badeye

Thank you for that Badeye, also remember the militating against the Bradley Fighting Vehicle and a number of other arms and to top it off, people like John F’n Kerry were the ones trying to defeat the development of those very vehicles and arms.

Our domestic enemy really needs to be dealt with. God bless our loyal, outstanding troops wherever they are around the world.


13 posted on 02/04/2009 8:54:12 AM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: Badeye
Then we saw what took place in the first Gulf War...

You saw what took place in a war with an untrained unmotivated army using the export version of old Soviet tanks. It would have been a different different fight if those had been Russian troops.

15 posted on 02/04/2009 9:06:00 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: Badeye

The “experts” really inflated the capabilities of the older Soviet era fighter, so I’m not really going to panic yet. Iraq had a pretty extensive integrated air defense system too. Right up until about a week after the start of Desert Storm.


19 posted on 02/04/2009 9:18:49 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Badeye
There is another story involved here. The purchase of the next generation of Australian fighters has been a huge political battle. Due to aging F-111's and delays in the F-35 program all sorts of solutions, including lease of SuperHornets, have been suggested.

The players include a mini fighter mafia, a guy that runs a company that wants to upgrade and extend the life on the F-111's, and a bunch of politicians on both sides.

Free world fighter aviation definitely faces challenges of age, funding, and emerging threats, but this report should be taken with a grain of salt.

20 posted on 02/04/2009 9:27:00 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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