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Americans' Saving More, Spending Less [Why the $850B stimulus will fail]
Sacramento Bee ^ | February 1, 2009

Posted on 02/01/2009 2:04:52 PM PST by Steelfish

Americans' saving more, spending less By MARTIN CRUTSINGER AP Economics Writer Published: Sunday, Feb. 01, 2009

WASHINGTON -- Americans are hunkering down and saving more. For a recession-battered economy, it couldn't be happening at a worse time.

Economists call it the "paradox of thrift." What's good for individuals - spending less, saving more - is bad for the economy when everyone does it.

On Friday, the government reported Americans' savings rate, as a percentage of after-tax incomes, rose to 2.9 percent in the last three months of 2008. That's up sharply from 1.2 percent in the third quarter and less than 1 percent a year ago.

Like a teeter-totter, when the savings rate rises, spending falls. The latter accounts for about 70 percent of economic activity. When consumers refuse to spend, companies cut back, layoffs rise, people pinch pennies even more and the recession deepens.

The downward spiral has hammered the retail and manufacturing industries. For years, stores enjoyed boom times as shoppers splurged on TVs, fancy kitchen decor and clothes. Suddenly, frugality is in style

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: taxcutswork

1 posted on 02/01/2009 2:04:52 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

With the “messiah” and his band of Obamacorns running around saying that it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better, who in their right mind would want to take on any debt right now. Oh crap, I forgot! THE U.S. GOVERNMENT! OF COURSE!


2 posted on 02/01/2009 2:09:08 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I wish it was 20 January 2013. I've had enough of this crap already.)
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To: Steelfish

How about - I don’t trust the government or financial institutions any longer, since they’ve displayed their arrogance and contempt for the ‘common man’.

Bank of the Metal Box in the Closet is more appealing to me than another financial institution going under.


3 posted on 02/01/2009 2:09:44 PM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("But there were some who resisted...")
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To: Steelfish
i suspect there is a lot less saving than indicated and a lot more paying down of debt. This is a good thing whether the political economists like it or not.
4 posted on 02/01/2009 2:13:10 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Perhaps one reason that we are spending less and saving more is that the dingbats that gave all the deadbeats their money are pulling it in a bit.

Just asking for a 5% down payment on a house pretty much pulls all first-time home buyers out of the spending category for years (as they try to save up some money).

It’s happening now, finally.


5 posted on 02/01/2009 2:13:33 PM PST by BobL
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To: Steelfish

It was Keynes himself who called it “the paradox of thrift.”

If we want people to save more, then perhaps we could give them a little incentive to save — such as a savings interest rate that barely exceeds the rate of inflation?

But no, the Federal Reserve has seen fit to crater rates down to negligible levels, while at the same time bemoaning the low savings rate.


6 posted on 02/01/2009 2:16:53 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Steelfish
It will "fail" because it is an altogether inefficient allocation of resources. No government can do anything positive that is constructive for the economy. It can help the economy only by negative actions, like tax cuts and deregulation.

On second look the bailouts and stimuli will succeed for those who want them the most. They will hamstring the economy and drive it into decline and hyperinflation which should generate demands for the government to save us all from the capitalists with "sensible" and total socialism. They know what they are doing, just as FDR knew what he was doing. Socialists neither need nor want prosperity. They want control and equality, equality for the subject population.

7 posted on 02/01/2009 2:19:25 PM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: Steelfish

Well, for the record, my wonderful DH pointed out to me just last week that I seemed to be doing MORE than my share of stimulating the economy. (grin)


8 posted on 02/01/2009 2:21:47 PM PST by PERKY2004 (Proud Military Wife -- my DH is in his 26th year of military service! PRAY 4 OUR TROOPS!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Well I'm in my right mind but I'm thinking about buying some acreage in the country, esp since the price has dropped 10k. I would like to have a few cows and chickens and a big garden. Also a well, on propane and possibly some solar and/or wind energy.
9 posted on 02/01/2009 2:23:31 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: PERKY2004

Are we related? Mine wants to start keeping a detailed record of our spending, by category (inference obvious). A frequent phrase is:”More mail order?”

I just tell him better we have the tools and appliances and such that we will need and that will last than to have everything die the day all money is devalued 80%.

I am also the family saver and I will bet you that the government doesn’t know the half of what the real savings rate is. There is a lot of under the table money being held in the Bank of Serta.


10 posted on 02/01/2009 2:29:40 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: PERKY2004

My wife has just discovered fiscal austerity. No wonder we are in a recession.


11 posted on 02/01/2009 2:40:52 PM PST by A message
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To: A message

We have drastically cut our spending. We weren’t big on cc to begin with and used it only because of suddenly having to pay for private school. (A pox on the AISD administrators).

We are following Dave Ramsey’s books. We were frugal to begin with. Now we are trying to get into a mode to survive the coming chaos (food supplies, guns, ammo, etc) Are friends and families are right there with us too.


12 posted on 02/01/2009 3:00:39 PM PST by 1scrappymom
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To: CindyDawg
Well I'm in my right mind but I'm thinking about buying some acreage in the country,...

I think you're onto something there.

13 posted on 02/01/2009 3:17:25 PM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: All

What is unusual is that I just bought a new AMERICAN car a few weeks ago (nearly all cash)....yet I hunkered down on saving money...and I am now spending less overall than before buying the new car...

I miss the days when real economists always supported saving over spending. Now...with all the Nutty Globalist bad economics...they are telling everyone to spend....just great.

The more we save...the easier we will get out of this recession...

But Obama’s Socialism will not cure the failures of Nutty Globalism


14 posted on 02/01/2009 3:37:29 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Open Borders should be only for bookstores, not the third world hellhole known as Mexico)
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15 posted on 02/01/2009 3:51:07 PM PST by Cindy
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To: hinckley buzzard
i suspect there is a lot less saving than indicated and a lot more paying down of debt.

If savings are up 2.9%, paying down debt is up 10% IMO.

Confidence in Congress was less than 10% a year ago and is down from that figure today. (My Guess)

16 posted on 02/01/2009 4:14:23 PM PST by TYVets
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To: Steelfish

I began my “Zero” Consumption Plan on November 5, 2008. I took President Rahmabama’s words seriously. He told us we need to use smaller cars, eat less, use less, blah, blah, blah. So being the Patriotic American that I am, I am following his advice. I will of course change my Consumption Plan once I feel safe and financially secure. Considering his Cabinet nominations and the nonsense he speaks I’ll be saving a whole lot of money for quite some time. ; )


17 posted on 02/01/2009 4:21:39 PM PST by Chgogal (Don't look at me. You elected them, Comrade!)
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To: CindyDawg

Lots in our neighborhood are down from about $100K to $60K....


18 posted on 02/01/2009 5:11:10 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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