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Concealed weapons on campus debated
Bismarck Tribune ^ | Jan 31, 2009 | BRIAN DUGGAN

Posted on 01/31/2009 2:50:46 PM PST by george76

Concealed weapons should be allowed on college campuses and other public gatherings, a lawmaker told a House committee on Friday, while opponents to a bill that would loosen gun restrictions say it could have violent, unintended consequences.

North Dakota bars bringing permitted concealed weapons to public gatherings and places such as universities, but a measure introduced by Rep. Duane DeKrey, R-Pettibone, would change that. The bill would still prohibit concealed weapons on K-12 campuses.

"We always have people that seem to be mentally ill or have other problems," said DeKrey, adding he introduced the measure in light of the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre that left 32 people dead. "But they're never mentally ill enough that they don't know where the people are that can't be armed."

Bill Goetz, chancellor of the North Dakota University System, testified against the bill, saying college campuses ban concealed weapons because of safety concerns.

Thomas Nicolai...that loosening concealed weapon restrictions would not result in more violence, but give people a chance to defend themselves in an unforeseeable and potentially deadly situation.

"When a college president in North Dakota feels the need for a bodyguard, I'm beginning to wonder if I should be more concerned," Nicolai said.

"After all, I don't get to carry a police officer with me everywhere I go."

Rep. Mike Nathe, R-Bismarck, questioned Goetz on why it was OK for a university president to have an armed bodyguard while others on a college campus can't carry a weapon.

(Excerpt) Read more at bismarcktribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; academia; banglist; ccw; concealedweapons; liberty; schoolviolence; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/31/2009 2:50:46 PM PST by george76
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To: george76
“Rep. Mike Nathe, R-Bismarck, questioned Goetz on why it was OK for a university president to have an armed bodyguard while others on a college campus can't carry a weapon.”

Wow! That is the money quote!

2 posted on 01/31/2009 2:59:03 PM PST by marktwain
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To: george76; DaveLoneRanger

The arrogance of these leftists is astounding.


3 posted on 01/31/2009 3:00:29 PM PST by marktwain
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To: george76
Bill Goetz, chancellor of the North Dakota University System, testified against the bill, saying college campuses ban concealed weapons because of safety concern

Don't people like Goetz understand that someone who is willing to kill or seriously harm someone DOES NOT CARE how many gun laws the legislature enacts? Why can't they get it through their thick heads that the kind of person who is willing to commit a capital crime such as mass murder that is punishable by death or life in prison is not going to be deterred by any law that the state can enact?

OTOH, responsible, law abiding citizens are not allowed to legally possess the only instrument that can stop a maniac hell bent on killing as many innocent people as possible. One legally armed and well trained student or instructor at VA Tech might have saved dozens of innocent lives if he or she had been allowed to carry a concealed gun on campus. But thanks to anti-gun morons like Goetz guns are strictly off limits at virtually every college and university in the US, thus creating hundreds, or perhaps thousands, of risk free killing fields for any homicidal maniac who comes along.

4 posted on 01/31/2009 3:40:57 PM PST by epow (If God is your co-pilot, swap seats.)
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To: epow; neverdem; Grampa Dave; The Mayor; jazusamo; SunkenCiv; LucyT

Well said.

thanks to anti-gun morons like Goetz guns are strictly off limits at virtually every college and university in the US, thus creating hundreds, or perhaps thousands, of risk free killing fields for any homicidal maniac who comes along.


5 posted on 01/31/2009 3:56:42 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: epow
“Don't people like Goetz understand that someone who is willing to kill or seriously harm someone DOES NOT CARE how many gun laws the legislature enacts?”

Sure, they understand that. There response would be that nearly anyone might snap like that, so we have to remove guns from the hands of almost *everyone*.

They start from different assumptions than we do. It does not matter how smart you are. If your assumptions are wrong, you will reach the wrong conclusions.

6 posted on 01/31/2009 3:58:41 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Having read some of the hand-wringing, touchy-feely comments at the Bismarck Tribune’s web site I fear for my fellow North Dakotans. One person feels (feels is the operative word versus thinks) that civilized society does not revert to such primitive, violent methods as self defense but instead opines that problem solving should be done with the heart and mind. And to think I could be helping to save said person’s life if I exercised my God given right to self protection and stopped a criminal act through the use of my legal firearm. Would that person criticise me for my primitive, violent action?
I do not care what course others may take, but as for me I will defend myself and that which is mine, unto the death if need be.
Gun free zones are not called safe zones for criminals for no reason, folks. Only the law abiding obey the laws and that especially applies to laws prohibiting citizens from keeping and bearing arms.


7 posted on 01/31/2009 4:09:14 PM PST by HattonFarmer (Fear the government that fears your gun.)
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To: george76; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks geo. Doesn’t matter — just make sure the assailant doesn’t make it all the way to the lineup with his (or her) eyes.


8 posted on 02/01/2009 5:58:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: marktwain
questioned Goetz on why it was OK for a university president to have an armed bodyguard while others on a college campus can't carry a weapon.”

The Texas Legislature should help Mr. Goetz live up to his beliefs and strip him off his security detail.

L

10 posted on 02/03/2009 8:32:50 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. It's too late for the pebbles to vote.)
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