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To: RaceBannon
> Umm, you’re joking, right?? That is a photo that was created in WWII to show what would happen if we lost to the Germans, kids would be using Nazi salutes to the flag instead of their hand over their heart

Nope, you have your history wrong.

That was the original form of the salute during the Pledge, and it was the official form used by Americans until it was changed during WWII, because it was too much like the Nazi salute.

Ours came first, by over 40 years. The Nazis poisoned it, and we changed our form by government decree:

Reciting of the pledge is accompanied by a salute. An early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards. Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Nazi salute, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on 22 June 1942.

See many of the posts in this thread for details. The quote above is from here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance_to_the_Flag_of_the_United_States

152 posted on 01/29/2009 7:16:00 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
THis is the 1890's salute to the flag

This is NOT the salute those kids were doing, in fact, thaks to your post, I did some searching myself, and BEllamy's original recommendations were:

After leaving the pulpit, Francis Bellamy decided to advance his authoritarian ideas through the public schools. Bellamy wrote the Pledge of Allegiance for Youth's Companion, a popular children's magazine. With the aid of the National Education Association, Bellamy and the editors of Youth's Companion got the Pledge adopted as part of the National Public School Celebration on Columbus Day 1892.

Bellamy's recommended ritual for honoring the flag had students all but goosestepping their way through the Pledge: "At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the Flag the military salute--right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it... At the words, 'to my Flag,' the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, towards the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side." After the rise of Nazism, this form of salute was thought to be in poor taste, to say the least, and replaced with today's hand-on-heart gesture.

I have to admit I never knew there was a two step salute, but to post the picture of the kids doing a SIEG HIEL salute as the plege is misinformative, it was a two step salute with the arm outstretched after a military salute

153 posted on 01/29/2009 8:59:16 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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