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Banks likely to head back to the trough [looks like TARP was only the beginning]
CNN ^ | 2009-01-20

Posted on 01/20/2009 9:45:36 AM PST by rabscuttle385

Large financial institutions are expected to need more capital later this year. But after TARP money from the government runs out, where will the cash come from?

BY DAVID ELLIS

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Can anything satisfy banks' appetite for capital?

Judging by the way things are going in the sector lately, the answer seems to be a resounding 'No.'

Last week, the government allocated an additional $20 billion for the seemingly steady Bank of America (NYSE:BAC) to help the company close its acquisition of Merrill Lynch. BofA has now received $45 billion in government funds as part of the government Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP.

And in late November, the government effectively had to double down on its bet in Citigroup (NYSE:C) by investing an additional $25 billion in the company to stave off its collapse and prevent broader fallout across the financial system. Citi has also received $45 billion in TARP capital.

So far, $192 billion in government money has been invested in more than 200 financial institutions. But that may not be enough to fix the many problems in the banking sector.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; bailout; bailoutnation; banking; bankofamerica; citi; financialcrisis; jpmorganchase; panicof2009; tarp
Also, FTA:

Many large banks are continuing to face massive writedowns tied to the mortgage-related assets on their books that have tumbled in value alongside the broader U.S. housing market.

In other words, the U.S. will now pay for all the banks' losses due to extremely-leveraged derivative securities!

1 posted on 01/20/2009 9:45:37 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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2 posted on 01/20/2009 9:46:19 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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3 posted on 01/20/2009 9:46:48 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

The UK is starting to realize that there’s not enough money available to cover the bank’s bad debts.

Many of our banks are already bankrupt. It’s just being papered over as they are counting on more government bailouts.


4 posted on 01/20/2009 9:58:23 AM PST by randita (If the government could "fix" the economy, we'd never have a recession.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m fully expecting bank runs and government imposed bank holidays in 2009.


5 posted on 01/20/2009 10:01:04 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Day One of the new Atlas Shrugged Administration.)
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So essentially we have a “reset” on the entire bailout question. As long as Obama was able to coast along with Bush having the big beggar’s moment (October Bailout Speech), he and the dems could exist in a perceived world where the Bailout was Bush’s, or at least, everyone.

Now it may shift to a new flashpoint a few months down the road, where what is left of the conservative base will have to craft their response and poltical ground.

If done correctly, this could put the spotlight back where it belongs, on congress and by association, Obama.

Of course, I am sure we are in for another round of “WTH is McCain doing NOW” I wish he’d just retire so we can at least have a new script. This one is getting old.


6 posted on 01/20/2009 10:10:28 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: rabscuttle385
In other words, the U.S. will now pay for all the banks' losses due to extremely-leveraged derivative securities!

Believe I said that about a year ago, had some wall street clown tell me I was stupid and did not even know what a derivative was. Wonder were he is polishing shoes today.

There was about 550 trillion in derivatives.

7 posted on 01/20/2009 10:34:18 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Let’s see.... we give massive amounts of money to banks with massive losses. We don’t require a change in management, nor in accounting practices, nor in business practices, nor the forced sale of assets.

And no one other than congress is surprised that the same managers at the same companies with the same worthless derivatives manages to lose more money.


8 posted on 01/20/2009 10:36:45 AM PST by TennesseeProfessor
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To: rabscuttle385

Something big must have happened today. Bank stocks are down MASSIVELY.

http://www.marketwatch.com/Quotes/quotes.aspx?symb=wl,wfc,bac,jpm,hbc,c,usb,ing,pnc,gs,sti,hig,all,aig,pfg,stfc,f,gm,ge,msft,ibm,goog,aapl,xom,hsy,dis


9 posted on 01/20/2009 11:48:31 AM PST by Drill Thrawl (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Drill Thrawl

DOW close to 8,000.


10 posted on 01/20/2009 12:06:40 PM PST by OB1kNOb (Day One of the new Atlas Shrugged Administration.)
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To: rabscuttle385
In other words, the U.S. will now pay for all the banks' losses due to extremely-leveraged derivative securities!

There's not enough money in the world to bail out the reckless derivative traders. It's time to cut losses and quit blaming the duped foreclosed homeowners.

Banks can go under. Derivative holders can do a madoff routine - lose it all...

11 posted on 01/20/2009 1:10:17 PM PST by GOPJ ("A consensus of 100 scientists is undone by one fact." - - Einstein (take that Al Gore))
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To: rabscuttle385

This author takes the fact that Citi and Bank of America went to TARP for a second round and assumes other big banks will need to follow, but fails to give any indication which “Large financial institutions are expected to need more capital later this year.” or cite any sources for that claim.

Despite what gets reported in the news or on CNN, there are a number of large banks that were profitable last year and are expected to be profitable this year. Among them: JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, PNC, BBT, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and US Bancorp.

It’s entirely possible one or more of these institutions will run into more trouble and need to raise capital or go to TARP hat in hand. But, the author fails to present his case for which one and what will drive the losses that isn’t already in analysts’ estimates.

IMHO, this author has made a ‘sky is falling’ claim (which very well happen) and failed to provide information, assumptions and facts that support his prediction. His argument boils down to “C and BAC needed TARP money twice; all the banks will need to go that route.”

CNN should have labeled this opinion or an editorial rather than part of a Special Report.


12 posted on 01/20/2009 1:54:57 PM PST by javachip
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To: GOPJ
Its not just subprime mortgages. Its all of the collateralized debt like credit card debt, auto loans, student loans, etc. All consumer debt owed by consumers who are losing their jobs in droves. Bank assets are deteriorating, mark to market rules require HUGE write-downs and bank liabilities (deposits) are relatively constant as depositors seek the safety of insured CDs. Recipe for disaster.
13 posted on 01/20/2009 6:00:26 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: rabscuttle385
We learned today that British bank liabilities are greater than the reserves of the British government. They are broke and the Pound fell dramatically against the not so healthy dollar. Britain may face financial collapse if someone doesn't step in to backstop the British banking system. USA may not be much help this time. Maybe the Germans?
14 posted on 01/20/2009 6:03:07 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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