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The final Bush pardons
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 1/20/9 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 01/20/2009 7:38:42 AM PST by SmithL

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1 posted on 01/20/2009 7:38:43 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

About time. He should also give them each the Medal of Freedom too since their acts and service helped keep us all a free country......for now.


2 posted on 01/20/2009 7:42:38 AM PST by BombHollywood
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To: SmithL

So, the last day W commutes 2 sentences. How many did Clinton commute or pardon his last day? 140.


3 posted on 01/20/2009 7:43:42 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll)
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To: SmithL

What is the reason for the months of delay in releasing these toe?


4 posted on 01/20/2009 7:44:21 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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"W" feared praise from Conservatives and condemnation from Dopers financed by George Soros.

That's been the problem all along with this guy ~ no political sense.

5 posted on 01/20/2009 7:47:26 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: SmithL

If it were me, I would have commuted (not pardoned) Duke Cunningham.


6 posted on 01/20/2009 7:47:39 AM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: theDentist

Yep, but Clinton, his wife, and her brother all got paid for those pardon’s, one way or another.

‘Whats done is done’ I believe is the comment baby Rodham made after waddling out to speak to the press in his driveway....


7 posted on 01/20/2009 7:47:51 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: SmithL
Sutton applied the firearms provision to a condition it should never have been applied to. These were border agents who carried firearms as a part of their job. It wasn't as if though they wnet and got a firearm to specifically commit a crime, which is what that provision covers for criminals.

The drug smuggler evaded and resisted arrest. When one agent saw the other fall in the conforntation, he opened fire at the fleeing drug smuggler.

These men stopped a drug smuggler who was actively bringing drugs into this country as an illegal. The did not know they had hit the man at the time, so they did not report it (which was a mistake) and then proceeded with that story (another mistake).

For those mistakes there should have been administrative punishment...but not criminal prosecution IMHO.

Sutton wanted to make an abject example of these men and he did so. But they did not deserve on tenth or one one hundredth of what they got from a politically charged prosecutor and environment.

I am grateful they will be free in March and hope and pray they achieve a successful appeal of their convictions and the harm that has been done their careers, reputations and families.

But I will never forget the way they were treated. It was and is a travestuy and a very shameful thing. I am glad Bush finally commuted their sentence...I wish there had been a full pardon. At least now they will be free to pursue their appeal...and I believe if they get together and write a good book about their experiences, they will be able to provide for themselves and their families in any case.

It's a story that should be told...it's a story that needs to be told from their perspective.

8 posted on 01/20/2009 7:48:31 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: SmithL

A reporter that actually gets it right. These two were and still are criminals that deserved to go to prison. But, like the reporter, I thought the sentences were excessive.


9 posted on 01/20/2009 7:48:35 AM PST by joe fonebone (The libtard votes in every election, regardless of the candidate.)
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To: Paladin2

He didn’t want to turn the Democrats and media against him.


10 posted on 01/20/2009 7:48:35 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BombHollywood

AGREED!!! but then it is clear that Bush has been intimidated by drug profiteers on Mexico


11 posted on 01/20/2009 7:49:21 AM PST by righteousindignation
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To: righteousindignation

in Mexico


12 posted on 01/20/2009 7:50:49 AM PST by righteousindignation
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To: DuncanWaring

I think it was a give and take to try to continue legislative support for the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. No matter what the dems said, they always voted to continue the funding.


13 posted on 01/20/2009 7:54:05 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Jeff Head
did not report it (which was a mistake) and then proceeded with that story (another mistake).... For those mistakes there should have been administrative punishment...but not criminal prosecution

I disagree, criminal prosecution should be in line for ANY LEO who covers their mistakes by lying, especially when the "mistake" involves shooting someone. If they can get away with it when it's an illegal drug smuggler, they'll get away with it when it's a US citizen regardless of criminality.

I don't think they should've gotten prison, that's nearly a death sentance. But they shouldn't be allowed to be LEO's any longer.

14 posted on 01/20/2009 7:54:28 AM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: SmithL

I’m disappointed that Libby didn’t get pardoned. Disgusted, actually. Bush had a chance to repudiate that partisan “Plamegate” witch hunt. Fail.


15 posted on 01/20/2009 7:54:28 AM PST by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: DuncanWaring

The question, better phrased, is: Now that the sentences have been commuted, why are Ramos and Campean not released today but months from now?


16 posted on 01/20/2009 7:54:37 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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>>>”In that Bush had stood by U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton’s prosecution of the agents, as well as the jury verdicts, this is the best outcome that was to be had.”<<<

This is more appropriately written: “In that Bush had stood by his BUTT-BUDDY’S prosecution of the INNOCENT agents WHO WERE JUST TRYING TO DO THEIR JOBS, as well as the MISLED jury verdicts — BV A JURY WHO WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED TO CONVICT IF THEY HAD KNOWN THE TRUTH ABOUT THE DRUG SMUGGLER — this is the best outcome that was to be had FROM A MEMBER OF THE SMUG, SELF-SERVING BUSH FAMILY — THE FAMILY WHO SINGLE-HANDIDLY RUINED THIS NATION.”


17 posted on 01/20/2009 7:55:44 AM PST by PhilipFreneau (Make the world a safer place: throw a leftist reporter under a train.)
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To: Paladin2

I was wondering that myself.


18 posted on 01/20/2009 8:04:08 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SmithL
I am glad that Ramos and Compean “will be freed” (they won't be released until March, they are still in danger in prison) but think that former President Bush is a heel for waiting this long to do the right thing.

He released drug smugglers and Scooter Libby far earlier.

What was the downside to making this motion?

Sure it looks like the “explanation” was designed to appease the Mexican government with mea culpas about these agents (if it was really about justice, Johnny Sutton would also be serving in jail for abuse of power) but just WHAT policy with Mexico would have been harmed if this had happened in October 2008 rather than Jan 2009?

A few more conservatives might have gone to the polls if Bush had done this before the election.

No, it's been said that former President Bush had to be dragged to this decision.

19 posted on 01/20/2009 8:04:23 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: PhilipFreneau
"THE FAMILY WHO SINGLE-HANDIDLY(sic) RUINED THIS NATION.”"

I'd say that the blame falls squarely with the electorate.

20 posted on 01/20/2009 8:05:42 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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