[I see my hands]

For a retreat from the coming civil strife we bought lots of land off grid. It's amazing how little research is needed to discover the major deficiencies of solar and wind as energy sources. The technologies simply aren't there yet.

[mamelukesabre]

Yep. And that’s not even factoring in the battery issues. A smallish diesel or natural gas generator with all the bells and whistles beats those silly windmills anyday.

[Andrewksu]

Actually, solar is effective, but not without considering increasing efficency in other areas of the home. I am designing off the grid small homes, not for the sake of being green, but for self sufficiency.

A combination of wind and solar on a properly designed home will free you from the bonds of utilities.

Some sacrifices are made but the payback is worth it.