He wasn't the first to think of it either:
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“This person suffering from hereditary defects
costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime.
People, that is your money. Read ‘New People’.”
Posted on 01/17/2009 12:29:45 PM PST by wagglebee
ALREADY IS
Check out the Georgia Guidestones.
http://www.fairpoint.net/~icpchad/ecgeorgiaguidestones.htm
Though as I understand it from a diversity of sources . . .
the target for forced population reduction now is
200 million tops globally.
100 million less than the USA’s population alone.
Lots of “useless eaters” for the powers that be to ‘terminate.’
I guess that’s why they need all the bioengineered plagues and death camps and wars and civil unrest and bans on vitamins and supplements worldwide etc. etc. etc.
I'm sure he wouldn't mind murdering, er, euthanizing his own mother, but my guess is when it comes his turn he will stringently object!
Prayers for you and yours, then!
The PTB
are seriously in the same camp.
Evidently the plan is that police will have instant execution instructions—ANYONE caught in a crime will be shot immediately on-sight.
No expensive lawyers, judge, jury . . . just a bit of a cleanup.
Must be murder if he was unable to do so because of disability.
Or are you citing an irrelevant case?
I wouldn’t necessarily count on it. His father died a couple of years ago. He did not attend the funeral, and when I expressed my condolences, he did not appear to be grieved by the loss.
Amen!
“irrelevant case”?
They’re all relevant because the issue is suicide.
In a way, you could say it was murder because he killed someone; himself.
I thought you knew about all these cases?
I'm going to call you on that. Show me the evidence for your position, which goes against all the evidence. If what you say were true, why did St. Augustine of Hippo have to come up with his musings and writings on the subject to change the common view?!? Why were the early Christians jumping off cliffs (where carved initials can reportedly still be seen today) to be with God, etc...?
The "formal statement" of the Council of Braga was after Augustine's writing, yes, but there were hundreds of years before Augustine's revised view came into existence (which was, of course, based on politics--an attempt to go against the conservative element who wanted to censure priests who collaborated with the Romans against Christians).
And, of course, there are the saints who committed suicide. How did they become saints if suicide were proscribed?
Yes.
We must also consider whether it is government intrusion to force a physician to treat someone. I say that is also the case, as it is not the government's job to license physicians or to restrict or force their professional behavior.
Once you force a physician's professional behavior, once you restrict a layman's healing actions, people become slaves to the state and its whim--whether it wants a doctor to commit an abortion, or heal an enemy, it should be up to individual conscience.
Here you go...
"Can Disabled People Be Forced to Crawl Up the Courthouse Steps?"
Obviously, you feel that anyone can walk up courthouse steps, if you believe anyone can commit suicide at will.
I find your disregard for disabled persons to be absolutely abhorrent. Call it hyperbole if you wish, but so it is.
“Obviously, you feel that anyone can walk up courthouse steps...”
Who said walk? I said crawl.
Nice try; “disregard for disabled persons”. You couldn’t prove, using my words, that “false equivocation” even if you hired Sherlock Holmes.
You put words in peoples mouth to try and substantiate an already faulty argument. That is the only way in which you can try to convince everyone reading this thread, and perhaps yourself, that you have a leg to stand on.
As I consistently stated, the government has no business in deciding who should live and who should die (I am not speaking of capital punishment), and who should be the ones to decide. Only an individual should have that right.
You say that the disabled do not have that option. That’s a load of bull. Like Terri Schiavo?
He wasn't the first to think of it either:
Illuminati have always thought that suicide was the shortcut to heaven, and this was something the Church has always fought against. Augustine wrote about it because it was something that cropped up, like all heresies, again and again. As the Church consolidated, people like this eventually had to go off and found their own movements or “churches,” which were severely repressed by the Church as long as it had the power to do so. Nowadays, we have people like the flakes in LA who killed themselves after filling their pockets with quarters so they could make phone calls from space after they had joined the aliens...
Augustine did not “revise” anything; long before him, in the 2nd century, St. Clement of Alexandria and St. Cyril were condemning suicide. This was also related to the debate over whether a person who had renounced Christ under the threat of torture or death could repent and be taken back into the Church. Many of these things needed analysis and definition, and that is the function of the Church.
Theology in the Church is always produced in response to a challenge; that is, it is never an abstract question, but a response to something that needs to be clarified. Augustine wrote as he did because at that point it needed to be clarified. For some reason, self-pitying or cowardly people, mostly young, have always had a tendency to romanticize suicide, and occasionally this became a problem in the Church when they attempted to use theological justifications and define their own “doctrine” about this.
But the response has been consistent all along, although it has become clearer over the centuries. Newman understood how doctrine developed; it doesn’t come down from Heaven in a neat little package, but must be worked out by human analysis inspired by the Spirit, as we see with theologians through the centuries, always building on the work of those who came before.
I notice that you have a certain fascination with suicide. Suicide is not good, it’s not poetic, it’s selfish, it will not make people feel sorry for you or respect you but will make them resent you and your selfishness, and, on top of that, you end up dead.
I will pray for you because I think there is more going on here than just a discussion.
"Bioethicists" are beginning to tout this very line of reasoning. We've had threads on it here at FR before. The "slippery slope" we warned people about thirty years ago is real, and it is indeed slippery. We're about half of the way down it now, and Obama won't do anything to slow us down, that's for sure.
Heartbreaking, and evil.
I suspect even Dr. Mengele cared enough his father to attend his funeral.
One can't do anything for somebody like this except pray for them and strive to keep them permanently out of power. They are spiritually twisted souls.
The next step is of course death by those considered too mentally unfit to live, mainly people who hold views that the current regime finds distasteful.
We've had FReepers AGREEING with the notion of a "duty to die"!
What "Church," Chucky? Is he back in communion now?
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