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Big Bang Evidence for God (Why I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist)
Townhall ^ | Jan 15, 2008 | Frank Turek

Posted on 01/15/2009 6:04:24 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Epistem
That's quite bold to come in here trolling right off the streets demanding things...

so what was your name before you got the boot Epistem?

61 posted on 01/16/2009 5:19:30 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: editor-surveyor

You still haven’t explained why the cancers cells found in Egyptian mummies aren’t really cancer.


62 posted on 01/16/2009 5:21:58 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: SeekAndFind
Here is the rough part...

The Lord commands us to bring the one who sins before his brother, such that he (the sinner), will be turned away from sin. If that doesn't work, bring him before an elder, if that doesn't work, bring him before the priest or rabbi. If that doesn't work, you are absolved from your responsibility.

Here's where I have trouble. I could care less what atheists think, say or do. They will meet their maker, and go to Gehenna. And I, like Abraham and Lazarus, will watch from the other side. Unable to give water to their soul.

I tried Lord, this post is evidence...may I be judged with mercy.

5.56mm

63 posted on 01/16/2009 5:23:28 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: tpanther

Simply asking a question isn’t demanding anything.

You really need to read this - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2165967/posts?page=23#23 post.


64 posted on 01/16/2009 5:23:38 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: DevNet

You’re exposed...too many people are on to you.

YOU should consider leaving, preferably permanently or at the very least change your name (again); although most folks know this won’t work, because you, like so many liberals, are your very own worst enemy...which is how you got outted in first place, confucius.


65 posted on 01/16/2009 5:29:54 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Liberal? Isn’t the main debating tactic of a liberal to insult others when they are unable to factually respond to points the opposing party makes?

You appears to not be used to those who simply ignore you after your nth attack - that won’t work on me. I will be nice and polite to you until you get blue in the face with rage.


66 posted on 01/16/2009 5:53:02 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: DevNet; tpanther
Simply asking a question isn’t demanding anything.

Do tell.....

67 posted on 01/16/2009 5:57:46 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Epistem
I don't care what you believe.

I have faith with hope and I am pleased with that.

How about we end it like this. Let's make a bet. If you are right, I will pay any price you ask. If I am right, you will hear me pray to God for our forgiveness.

May God bless you and yours.

68 posted on 01/16/2009 6:05:43 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. - One of General Abram's men)
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To: DevNet

Sorry to burst your bubble but you’re incapable of setting off the slightest anger in me, let alone rage, because I see right through you, and did virtually from the start, (as did others).

There was nothing to “factually respond to” but in your own imagination.

And you SHOULD be nice and polite...perhaps you’ve learned your lesson?

We’ll see how long you last this time.


69 posted on 01/16/2009 6:10:16 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom

I assume you know the difference between asking a question and demanding. If you do not please explicitly say so and I will explain it to you.


70 posted on 01/16/2009 6:27:13 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: tpanther

So can I assume that you are unwilling to explain why you wrote theory as THEORY?


71 posted on 01/16/2009 6:27:46 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: LiteKeeper

I am interested and will visit your Web page. Go ahead and freepmail me your information at your convenience. I have struggled with this concept both spiritually and intellectually and have come to the conclusion that of course God could have created the universe by the Big Bang, but this is speculation as we could not know the mind of God, but we will one day when we are united with Him in Heaven.

My Bible only says that God created the heavens and the earth and when He did “the earth was a formless wasteland and darkness covered the abyss, while a mighty wind swept over the waters” and then he created vegetation, animals, humans, etc....over six days....”and it was very good”.


72 posted on 01/16/2009 7:57:45 PM PST by GatorGirl (Proud member of the Gator Nation!)
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To: This Just In
“I will tell you why. Because you believe in a Bible interpretation...” That statement reveals both your arrogance as well as your false assumptions. The Nicean Creed does not trump the Lord’s Word. According to the Bible, the Lord is Triune; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Triune Lord created all things.

It isn't a false assumption. All who base their statement of faith on the Nicean Creed have the same illogical view of the Trinity. Clearly the Nicean Creed does not trump the Bible. But it is a lens through which much of Christendom interprets the Bible. I and many others come to completely different conclusions because we are not chained to the Nicean dogma.

For example, when in John 17 Christ prayed that all believers be one with him, as He is one with the Father, it is clear he is talking about "one mind" "one in Spirit" "one in purpose." Freed from the Nicean lens, it becomes clear that this is is indicative of the nature of the Godhead.

Clearly, Christ wasn't suggesting we believers become one substance, one entity, as mandated by the Nicean decree about the Godhead.
73 posted on 01/16/2009 8:19:40 PM PST by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: bluejay
Do you mean many planets/start systems or many Universes? Many planets yes, many stars obviously, but many Universes? How would you know this?

Don't think I mentioned Universes. My intent was that the term "many worlds" refers to many star and planet systems, i.e. solar systems.

> Then explain the creation of stars in the W5 nebula I don’t get your point. We can observe the creation of stars in W5 nebula. Once the Universe has been created there is material to create stars, so the starts get created. If you are into astronomy this must be very exciting, but I don’t get how it says anything about the Big Bang or the Creation?

My point is obvioius. If the stars in W5 were indeed created 7-8000 years ago by the process evident today, and our own planet earth were created about that many years ago, how can you believe that our system was created out of nothing while all other systems are being created by natural processes, obviously (to me at least) under the hand of an all powerful and knowledgeable, kind and loving, and living, Father in Heaven who continues to direct the design of stellar and galactic systems.

One final point. Your take on defacing the name of God is...interesting. I happen to have a great deal of love for my Father in Heaven. Perhaps he will understand my good intent.
74 posted on 01/16/2009 8:29:40 PM PST by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: LukeSW

Of course it’s a false assumption. I do not base my view on the Nicean Creed. I base my understanding on scripture. Therefore, your assumption that my “interpretation” is drawn from the Nicean Creed is a false assumption.

Scripture interprets scripture.

“...much of Christendom interprets the Bible.” Hogwash. Much of Christendom doesn’t even know about the Nicean Creed. Who’s being dogmatic and presumptious?

“Freed from the Nicean lens...”

How interesting. It seems to me that you are the one who is looking through the “Nicean lens” because you measure believers faith by it, and most judgmentally, I might add. You’re so riveted with opposing the Nicean Creed that it’s the only lens in which you appear to be looking out from. So much so that you’ll insist on its influence even when you’ve been refuted.

In returning to the original response, our Triune God created the universe, not mere man. Christ BECAME flesh (”And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us...” Jn. 1:14a). When God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit created the universe and all living things, Christ was not a man of flesh yet. If Jesus was of flesh why would he need to be born of a woman?


75 posted on 01/16/2009 8:58:28 PM PST by This Just In (Support Christian Homeschoolers)
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To: LukeSW

> My point is obvioius. If the stars in W5 were indeed created 7-8000 years ago by the process evident today, and our own planet earth were created about that many years ago, how can you believe that our system was created out of nothing while all other systems are being created by natural processes, obviously (to me at least) under the hand of an all powerful and knowledgeable, kind and loving, and living, Father in Heaven who continues to direct the design of stellar and galactic systems.

There appears to be some confusion, Creation normally refers to the Universe, not to a single planet.


76 posted on 01/16/2009 9:03:07 PM PST by bluejay
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To: GatorGirl

Happy to send you what I can...soon to follow.


77 posted on 01/16/2009 9:09:22 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: DevNet

You’re pretty slow aren’t you DevNet?


78 posted on 01/17/2009 8:13:44 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Asking questions to determine you meaning isn’t a sign of slowness. Now post 3 or 4 times about my post with out bothering to answer the question would be considered a sign that you are hiding something - by some.


79 posted on 01/17/2009 8:17:58 AM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: SeekAndFind

The theory that God created the Big Bang, and 3.5 bajillion years later we have earth, is a joke.

IF you believe in God, in an all-powerful, all-knowing, Creator, then the Big-Bang-Evolution Theory is completely incompatible with what we see and observe now.


80 posted on 01/17/2009 8:28:05 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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