Posted on 01/15/2009 9:28:25 AM PST by Squidpup
All I know is this: Went to Turkey this summer - sat and spoke w/ a Turkish diplomat that was working on behalf of Turkey to try and get them into the EU - Turkey has almost given up hope of joining the EU and this guy told me they are upset and feel discrimated against - he feels the US is more accepting and integrated - I think they are really offended and POed. Right, Wrong or Indifferent - it is what it is and there are two sides to every story - the EU has apparently told them that they need to modernize their views in regards to Women etc. - The diplomat does not think it would matter - it’s because Turkey is over 95% Muslim.
And some in the EU want Turkey to become a full-fledged member????
What crap. They stopped us from transiting the country to invade Iraq from the north, probably prolonging the war and costing us casualties.
It goes beyond being 95% Muslim. Turkey is still a third world country and membership in the EU would open the floodgates into Europe of Turkish labor. Under the Maastricht Treaty and other EU treaties, there is the free flow of labor within the EU.
Turkey is not ethnically, culturally, or religiously a part of Europe.
yeap that was unforgivable.
In addition to that they denied us use of their airspace.
Probably the single largest tactical challenge in the war was overcoming this. agreed.
I’m just relaying what I talked about - it was interesting hearing his perspective - I was also held up at customs for 6 hrs. because I was carrying vitamins w/ me and they wouldn’t speak English to me or acknowledge my presence as a female... I would never want to live there!
Turkey is no ally of the US and shouldn’t be expected to be a reliable member of NATO
Muslims are so easily offended. The men kill their wives and daughters over some perverted sense of honor. They feel a duty to kill all who don't believe as they do, or at least make them subservient to them. They don't seek to become part of the modern civilized world. They are determined to drag the world back to the seventh century.
Turkey should not be in NATO anyway. Turkey is not ethnically, culturally, or historically a part of Europe.
It was until the “Turks” invaded and took over. The Ottomans are certainly not European nor western.
During the Cold War, Turkey was a vital and essential ally given its geostrategic location.
In the Bible, it shows the area of Turkey to be aligned with the Muslim nations against Israel. So, that does appear to be what is going to be happening...
You said — “Turkey is no ally of the US and shouldnt be expected to be a reliable member of NATO”
It won’t be, in the future, according to what the Bible says about this area... They will be aligned with the Muslim nations who go to attack Israel.
So? China was a vital ally in WW2. Does that mean they should be in NATO? No, of course not.
That Turkey was a “vital” ally in the Cold War is not relevant to whether they should be a NATO member.
In my opinion, NATO members should be strictly ethnically, culturally, and historically European.
LOL. That's a non sequitur if I ever heard one. I suggest you read more about China and WW2. In WWII China was more a victim than an ally. And the break between the communists and nationalists affected our post war relationship with China.
NATO was established as part of our containment policy toward the Soviet Union and the defense of Europe. Turkey's strategic location was a vital part of that policy. I suggest you take at look at Reagan's confrontation with the Soviets about the stationing of IRBMs in Turkey. We had, and continue to have, important military bases in Turkey. NATO still exists. The China of WWII no longer does.
In my opinion, NATO members should be strictly ethnically, culturally, and historically European.
You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. Why would we now banish Turkey from NATO, an organization it has belonged to since 1952?
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