The magnitude of the irrational homophobia on this thread floors me. If our big tough military men are going to be threatened by a gay comrade, maybe they should look for a different line of work. I served 20 years in the USAF. I served with gay and lesbian members, some of them high ranking officers. All of them were fierce patriots, dedicated to defending their country. I was never made to feel uncomfortable and was never propositioned.
After I retired, I worked with people who were gay and lesbian. The topic of their sexuality never was an issue in the workplace and I was never propositioned or embarrassed. I even showered next to some at the gym and never once saw them staring at my butt or junk. On the other hand, even though I was married, I was propositioned by women in the workplace, some aggressively.
Get over it and grow up people.
Well said. It’s not the government’s right to dictate what goes on in the bedroom even if it is *shudders* homos.
so because most do not approve of this you think we should all grow up
USAF right, well done on your service, I cannot speak for the airforce but I can speak for the marines and army .
You have no problems with them and you like them , fine but to come out with grow up because most of us do not go along with their perverted agenda or lifestyle is a , should I say it , yes immature
As regards your serving with gay Air Force members, my first thought was weren't they asked about this when they enlisted or were commissioned. I was; it was part of the security clearance. Among the reasons for this was that in many cases persons can be blackmailed as a result of closeted sexuality.
See post 63.
It worked for you because of that tension I mentioned.
Open the doors to openly gays, and all that irrational homophobia as you call it, will cause a backlash that will gut the military. Many folks here, are not, as you see it, attacking fierce gay patriots. They just don’t want gay sex in their face, either by others or directed at them.
If you can’t see that there’s a difference, think of this: In boot camp, drill sergeants yell at people. It’s not good leadership, and it’s not the kind of thing that happens in military units, no matter how many times Hollywood portrays it as a never-ending screamfest. Only poor leaders need to scream all the time. But . . . there’s a purpose for the shock and awe of basic training and boot camp.
There’s also, I think, a good reason not to let sex behaviors of any flavor become the face of the military. In fact, your post proves my point. You didn’t have trouble because you weren’t propositioned. The topic didn’t come up (perhaps because of don’t ask don’t tell).
Trust in this bit of wisdom: Whether gay or not, you do NOT want sexual behavior running rampant in our military, and without doubt gay and lesbian is nothing if not a sexual behavior issue. And, if I may add, the record of the most blatant homosexuals can be quite distressing in the kind and quantity of outrageousness. Surely you can see that.
Now about that workplace where the women are aggressively propositioning you. Exactly where is this den of iniquity?
You were in the Air force, free from fighting a ground war. Take it from those of us who actually did. You have no clue what you are saying, or what we think or feel.
If you have no problem sleeping and living in very close quarters with someone who might find you sexually attractive, that’s your business. I submit that MANY in the service WILL have a problem. You can call it what you like, but homophobia is something made up by the homosexual lobby to make what appears to be a very normal feeling among the majority of men into a mental illness.
I have homosexual friends as well. They’re nice people. But that’s completely not the point here.
You can't see that the emotional levels of teenagers who just cut some raghead in half with a SAW at conversation range and add in a love affair with his NCO...
Hot Flash! You don't join the Marines to learn a trade. You want to KILL! You want BLOOD! By the time you get out of PI or San Diego, you're half crazy. You want to close with and destroy the enemy by fire and maneuver. You stick a cigar in a charred skinny's mouth and take pictures as everyone in your fire team laughs. You're half starved, you haven't had a shower in weeks, you've been trapped in a MOPP suit for so long a porta-pottie would smell good, you haven't slept in 96 hours and you are so stupid with exhaustion if you stop moving you'll fall asleep in a gravel driveway in the rain, and you see a hand in the road with a watch on the wrist, and all you can think of is "Takes a lickin' an' keeps on tickin'!"
All that, and you can't see any problem with adding obsessive/compulsive sexual insanity as a social experiment?
I got propositioned by both officers and enlisteds, was gawked at in the showers and locker rooms and I am not a GQ model by any stretch of the imagination. I did not relish the attention of being mentally violated everytime I took a shower or went to the bathroom with these pervert types.
They need separate accommodations for them because they are a different sex. Men and women don't shower together or go to the bathroom together so why should straights and homos be required to do so, this is a definite moral issue.
Perhaps you are just ugly :)
“The magnitude of the irrational homophobia on this thread floors me”
You been brainwashed... homophobia is a leftist term and you are using it... There is NOTHING irrational about one wishing to avoid those that party like its 1999 with fecal matter in anal zones...
Capiche?