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CAR PHONE BAN GOES TOO FAR
boblonsberry.com | 01/14/09 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 01/14/2009 5:17:04 AM PST by shortstop

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To: Mathews
but gabbing on the thing just for the sake of gabbing is dangerous.

Then the cops shouldn't be allowed to talk on their radios, run radar or play with their computers.

They give up their toys, I'll give up mine.

141 posted on 01/14/2009 7:17:26 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: gracesdad
I don’t agree with a national ban, but all of these businesses existed before cell phones.

So let's just give the outlaws a competitive advantage - as usual.

142 posted on 01/14/2009 7:22:47 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Sudetenland
Well, aren't we little miss sunshine today? Cell phone users now equal drunk drivers in causing accident, huh. Care to share a source for that or should I just take your word for it?
143 posted on 01/14/2009 8:05:17 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Texas Federalist
Note: I said that we should allow hands-free ONLY usage of cell-phones, even though that is distracting but one can argue (as you just did) that a radio would be equally distracting

Ban NON-hands-free usage of phones by drivers while driving. Don't you agree that when you are on the phone, your concentration is split and when you have the phone nestled under your ear with your shoulder hunched up, your response time will be slower?

if one doesn't have a hands-free, they should stop by the nearest stop and call back the person
144 posted on 01/15/2009 3:34:25 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

No problem. If they have the phone, there will be a record of any text/voice/data transmissions with the provider.


145 posted on 01/15/2009 3:51:06 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: CSM
I don’t think that they are ever ACCIDENTS. I think that every one is actually caused by some negligence, therefore I always refer to them as car WRECKS.

Agreed. Very few wrecks are the result of unforseeable or unavoidable circumstance. Most are the direct result of operator error or negligence.

146 posted on 01/15/2009 4:10:32 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Kentuckian
Unfortunately we’ve lost site of that aspect of our nation and have an illegal democracy being projected to the public which has allowed misguided or downright corrupted officials to kill liberty.

I agree, which is why I would just up the ante for people who cannot successfully yak and get where they are going without killing someone, which infringes on their liberty.

With freedom comes responsibility, and that is the thing we have lost.

147 posted on 01/15/2009 4:15:40 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: elkfersupper
Then the cops shouldn't be allowed to talk on their radios, run radar or play with their computers.

Some people can pilot a cessena, some a 747, some an F-22, some just crash repeatedly in simulators without making a stain on the ground. Depends on the person.

Some can drive while multitasking, most, frankly, can't. Some don't 'see you' even if they aren't doing anything but driving (years of riding motorcycles taught me that, and I am a highly defensive driver as a result).

Nine of the last ten drivers who performed an illegal and dangerous maneuver in front of me whom I could ascertain one way or the other were talking on a handheld cell phone, 7 were druiving SUVs, and six of those were blonde women. I am not saying outlaw any of that, but in order to have people more realisticly evaluate their own capabilities, let's put some teeth in the lack of performance end of the envelope and let them decide what risk they are willing to take with their own life, not just those around them. I would wager people would spend more time catching up after their drive, and cut noncritical chatter to keep their own bits out of the wringer.

148 posted on 01/15/2009 4:25:24 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Sudetenland

Sorry for my misunderstanding and thank you for the clarification.


149 posted on 01/15/2009 5:16:42 AM PST by CSM (IÂ’m jubilant! Now that the Dems are completely in charge, we can FINALLY blame THEM for everything!)
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To: Kentuckian

Sorry, I don’t want to die of a theory. You can go ‘Lockerroom Constitutional Lawyer’ if you wish, but at the end of the day hand held electronic devices should not be used while operating a motor vehicle.

Thats just common sense.


150 posted on 01/15/2009 5:55:56 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: elkfersupper

As I said at the start of my post...

“I don’t agree with a national ban, “

What part of that is hard for you to understand?


151 posted on 01/15/2009 6:34:17 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: elkfersupper
Well then, I guess you agree that aborting the unborn is a right, since the courts have so ruled...funny I see nothing in the Constitution about either.

I do see the right to travel and the right to use the public roadways as an extention of the term liberty, but if driving is a "right" then ownership of an automobile is a right and therefore the state should provide cars for each citizen...that is, if it is a "right."

One of the fundamental arguments against licensing a firearm by the state is that it is a protected, inherent right and by requiring a license for a firearm, the state is "infringing" on that "right." Since the state has long since had the power to issue and require the possesion of a license to drive a car, such power argues that driving is a privelege rather than a right.
152 posted on 01/15/2009 6:40:42 AM PST by Sudetenland (Those diplomats serve best, who serve as cannon fodder to protect our troops!)
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To: massgopguy

When I was younger, we went for a ride with my mom’s cousin in a brand new car they’d just purchased. Her cousin asked my mom to change the radio station because the manual stated that due to the complexity of the radio, it should not be operated when the car was in motion.


153 posted on 01/15/2009 7:05:23 AM PST by spacewarp (Gun control is a tight cluster grouping in the chest and one in the forehead.)
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To: Badeye

It’s not a theory. It doesn’t matter what the action is, as soon as you make it illegal you have dismissed the very notion of liberty - freedom. Using your argument, then we should gan guns too - right? Because there are immature and irresponsible people who get hold of guns and very tragic things happen. That’s exactly the same idea of banning cell phone usage while driving - because of irresponsible people. Just because idiots do idiotic things doesn’t justify limiting the actions of everyone. Liberty cannot exist along side those ideals. I much rather prefer Liberty over a government attempting to keep me “safe”. One day they could feel that we would all be much “safer” living in small cells behind razor-wire fence - no thanks!


154 posted on 01/15/2009 7:09:33 AM PST by Kentuckian (Ignoring the obvious!)
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To: Kentuckian

Like I said...you are all about ‘theory’.

I’m all about drivers being even more careless because they are distracted even futher.


155 posted on 01/15/2009 7:17:36 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Kentuckian

I really should learn to proof read -—— *gan should read *ban


156 posted on 01/15/2009 8:38:22 AM PST by Kentuckian (Ignoring the obvious!)
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To: Sudetenland
Everything you list is protected under the Constitution, most of all your property.

Wrong. Property is not protected under the Constitution, except to the extent the "takings" clause applies (which is minimally after Kelo). It does not apply at all to income or transfers of wealth. The Lochner case was overruled years ago. So the government is perfectly within its rights to impose, for example, a 100% income tax. Therefore, under your definition, since the right to earn a living is not protected under the Constitution, it is a "privilege granted by the state". That tripe belongs at DU - not here.

157 posted on 01/15/2009 10:11:13 AM PST by Texas Federalist
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To: Cronos
Ban NON-hands-free usage of phones by drivers while driving. Don't you agree that when you are on the phone, your concentration is split and when you have the phone nestled under your ear with your shoulder hunched up, your response time will be slower?

Not necessarily. And I think we should fine the traffic violation if one is committed while a cell phone is used or not used. But restricting cell phone usage based on a spurious correlation like cell phone usage to driving leads down a very slippery slope because most of the studies show hand held cell phone usage impairs driving as much as hands-free usage, eating, listening to the radio, or talking to someone. I prefer my freedom to the slight increase in safety.

158 posted on 01/15/2009 10:16:31 AM PST by Texas Federalist
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To: Smokin' Joe
7 were druiving SUVs, and six of those were blonde women.

Blonde women SUV drivers should be confined to quarters naked and well-scrubbed.

But I'm not sure that should be a federal law.

159 posted on 01/15/2009 6:41:18 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: gracesdad
What part of that is hard for you to understand?

Everything after the "but".

160 posted on 01/15/2009 6:42:54 PM PST by elkfersupper
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