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To: count-your-change
Cause and Effect isn't just a philosophical proposition as everything in existence is theorized to be the effect or results of energy and matter arising from....no cause whatsoever.

(E=MC2) is not cause and effect. E and M are the same.

And if you care to point the famous double slit experiment then it must be noted that we get answers according to how we ask them, even as physicist John Wheeler commented,

Yes, force is mass, waves are particles, no cause and effect needed. The law of cause and effect is a philosophical argument, not a scientific law.

If “ In science there are no proofs only falsifications....”, then the finding of science should not be used as proof of anything, only as an opinion from a biased position.

That is probably accurate enough : ) Science has no proof at all. It simply has theories that have not been falsified. Very, very good theories I might add : )

102 posted on 01/12/2009 10:56:46 AM PST by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande
I'll offer my comments but then shall we get back to point of the debate?

“Yes, force is mass, waves are particles, no cause and effect needed. The law of cause and effect is a philosophical argument, not a scientific law.”

Force is mass TIMES ACCELERATION, you left out the meat in meat and potatoes. Yes, just as e= not just mass, but mass
times c squared, a very big difference, but irrelevant to my point.

Cause and effect is the conclusion of observation and test. If something crawled out of a lab vessel the scientist would not only look at the effect but search for a cause knowing by his observations and knowledge of physics that every result or effect he has obtained had a cause. He would hardly dismiss such a search as a “philosophical argument”!

“waves are particles...”,

Oh dear! Newton's corpuscles of light come to life after hundreds of years and Max Plank never lived.
As was stated earlier, it depends on the instrument measuring, measure for waves, you get waves, etc.

Now, let's get back to the debate, shall we?

121 posted on 01/12/2009 11:39:31 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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