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Life's Irreducible Structure (DEBATE THREAD)
CMI ^ | Alex Williams

Posted on 01/12/2009 7:23:26 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: CottShop; Coyoteman
[Cman]"has said not to ping him"

OK, got it. You and Cman don't get along. I'll try to remember. LOL!

641 posted on 01/13/2009 11:17:40 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: metmom
OK, so who was The Bat Man a retread for?

Beats me, I missed it all. What'd he say that got him blowed up?

642 posted on 01/14/2009 3:48:36 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tpanther
When hot air cult apostles are out purposefully placing thermometers too close to jet engine exhausts at airports to collect data to support manmade global warming, it's plainly evident to see that scientific conclusions are not somehow immune to politics, ideology and somehow are always ultimately objective, via the so-called "peer review" process.

Is that really a valid conclusion? Do we know whether that "research" was ever peer reviewed at all?

643 posted on 01/14/2009 3:52:54 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: CottShop
there’s nothign wrong with hte method- the method is fine- and I’ve championed the idea that we should return to it- fully- and objectively.

Then I don't understand your objections to scientists trying to find an explanation of the fossil record as the result of natural processes.

No need to change anythign regardign hte method- or replace it with anything- ID works fully within the parameters of the method

So do other theories that don't agree with ID, or the particular theories you've presented.

644 posted on 01/14/2009 4:04:13 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom
When you mention something good it goes away, when you mention something bad it happens.

I believe that's referred to as "tempting fate".

645 posted on 01/14/2009 4:08:40 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: betty boop
Thank you for your patience, tacticalogic — and for your good company.

Sorry I didn't get back sooner. You're quite welcome.

646 posted on 01/14/2009 4:12:37 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; Fichori
Are you saying that scientists should stop looking for cause and effect relationships? This would completely destroy the scientific method.

It's remarkable how the science-talkers here adopt (and preach) positions on the philosophy of science which are taken (often without them knowing it) from A.J. Ayer, Bertrand Russell, John Dewey, or, in this case, David Hume. The FR science-talkers insist that their philosophical opinions on science are not philosophical formulations at all but science itself, and that's that. Of course there is no reason at all why we should agree with or even entertain the philosophy of Dewey, Hume, Ayer, Russell, Popper, etc.

647 posted on 01/14/2009 4:22:47 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Humpday drivel


648 posted on 01/14/2009 4:24:04 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Speaking of Polanyi, here is a quote from him...
"The Bible says: 'Correct a wise man and he will love you.' The scientist ought to be delighted when his theory, supported by a series of previous observations, appears to collapse in the light of his latest experiments. If he was wrong, then he has just escaped establishing a falsehood and been given a timely warning to turn in a new direction. But that is not how he feels. He is dejected and confused, and can only think of possible ways of explaining away the obstructive observation."

649 posted on 01/14/2009 4:28:50 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: tpanther
"...I am, and so are many of we Christians who think evolution IS intelligent design."

I'm very curious about this statement because time and time again I've only been able to find only ONE person to admit this indirectly, but still won't admit it directly.

Since the theory of evolution denies teleology, it therefore makes no sense for a person to say it "is intelligent design". It's merely a contradiction in terms to say so. No wonder people don't admit to it directly. Their inner logic seems to rest on interpreting 'accident' to mean 'design' or some such conflation. But the theory of evolution says what it says, despite the far-fetched efforts of some who interpret it metaphorically to mean the opposite of what it says.

And if this is the case, why is it so important to demand that children be told things like "God has no place in science class"?

To raise a generation of atheists, of course. Some Christians actually support this view, through some distorted philosophy of science and freedom of conscience or whatever. They will realize their mistake later, when everyone in the next generation grows up to be functionally atheists.

650 posted on 01/14/2009 4:52:37 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: metmom

http://www.scientificblogging.com/genomicron/junk_dna_and_the_onion_test

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001810.html

http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2008/09/discussing-junk-dna-with-adaptationist.html

http://www.crystalinks.com/junkdna.html

Lots of diverging opinions, but the “ultraconserved” regions make up a small percentage of the non-coding DNA.

And ther are living things that get along nicely without much non-coding DNA.


651 posted on 01/14/2009 5:02:08 AM PST by js1138
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To: tacticalogic

I don’t know. I saw a few of his posts but nothing jumped out at me as ban worthy.


652 posted on 01/14/2009 5:30:33 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Maybe the moderators hate me, and did it just for spite so I’d look bad after saying how clean the thread had been.:)


653 posted on 01/14/2009 5:36:38 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; tpanther

There were some threads about the temperature readings not being reliable. The placement of the temperature sensors at airports where they belong was initially correct, but as urban sprawl sprawled and the cities encroached on the open areas, they affected the readings as any city would; the temperatures recorded higher.

Some of the threads showed pictures of the placement of the probes with some being near parking lots and air conditioning units. When the stuff hit the fan, the NWS pulled the pictures it had of those sensors, but they were already on the web.

There are other threads but no good keywords to find them by.

15-Year-Old Byrnes Outsmarts NASA’s Global Warming Alarmist James Hansen
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1846653/posts

Back to our regularly scheduled programming.......


654 posted on 01/14/2009 5:40:32 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic; GodGunsGuts

Well, I didn’t see anything that was offensive as per usual for crevo threads, unless ggg did.

Perhaps we can put in a disclaimer that the posts were pulled for some as yet unknown reason so that it’s obvious that this thread did not degenerate into the usual flamefest.


655 posted on 01/14/2009 5:46:58 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Perhaps we can put in a disclaimer that the posts were pulled for some as yet unknown reason so that it’s obvious that this thread did not degenerate into the usual flamefest.

I think we just did.

656 posted on 01/14/2009 5:51:04 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: count-your-change
You do understand the principle?

How about this principle:

Humans share with mammals about a thousand genes for the sense of smell. But in humans, a third are inactive.

So humans have the gene responsible for the joy dogs experience while butt snuffing, and humans can give it a pass.

But hey, if the need arises, the Designer has foreseen it.

657 posted on 01/14/2009 5:57:12 AM PST by js1138
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To: tpanther; metmom; GodGunsGuts
When hot air cult apostles are out purposefully placing thermometers too close to jet engine exhausts at airports to collect data to support manmade global warming, it's plainly evident to see that scientific conclusions are not somehow immune to politics, ideology and somehow are always ultimately objective, via the so-called "peer review" process.

Then if we're going to stay on topic we need to look at how politics and/or ideology may be interfering with the objectivity of the research and conclusions of this theory.

658 posted on 01/14/2009 6:00:15 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom

I posted a couple of time to batman. He seemed to be on the creationist side,and although I was arguing with him, there was nothing offensive about his tone.

I wasn’t here when the purge happened but I have a theory. There used to be a poster called medved (not related to the writer, I hope). He frequently posted a graphic bat, which he called Spifford. He was banned and has been banned again under numerous names. His arguments and writing style are very distinctive.


659 posted on 01/14/2009 6:05:37 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138; count-your-change
Humans share with mammals about a thousand genes for the sense of smell. But in humans, a third are inactive.

So humans have the gene responsible for the joy dogs experience while butt snuffing, and humans can give it a pass.

But hey, if the need arises, the Designer has foreseen it.

So how does evolution explain it?

If humans don't need it, why are the genes there?

If they evoloved for a reason, why aren't they being used?

660 posted on 01/14/2009 6:49:55 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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